Nalle's first cycle - Steroids Source Talk

Nalle · #1 (**permalink**) 02-03-2013, 07:50 PM

Hello everybody,

I'd like to share with you my first cycle and possibly receive useful tips from much more experience guys then I am.

About me:

21 years old
90kg (200 pounds)
186-8cm (6'1"-6'2") - don't know exactly
ok bodyfat - tried my best to slim down as much as possible but school got in the way of my diet. I'm probably at 16-17% with most of the fat being stored in my midsection.
4 years working out - the first two being newbish the third solid and the last one superb. Sadly I lost all my progress between the third year and the last. Not the best time in my life.

1 rep maxes:
squat - 130kg
bench - 90kg
dead - 150kg

these numbers are before my diet in the middle of GOMAD. squat and dead are probably roughly the same but bench dropped to 85.
I would like my dead to by at 200kg before my first cycle but when it comes to living situation, school, work, family, friends, money, time, access to gym,... now it seems to be the most ideal time to do it.

I know that the common wisdom is to wait till 23 years old and I'm well aware of possible complications. I want nothing more then to be able to compete in powerlifting (for fun) and to train with the right people. Without steroids I could never make it till my graduation. I want to get in the game now and really live it.

CYCLE:
W 1-12 - Test E - 250mg - every three days
W 1-14 - Adex - 0.25mg - every other day - 0.125mg EOD during the last week
W 1-4 - Dbol - 10mg - 3x/d

Post-cycle:
W 15 - Clomid - 50mg - 2x/d
W 16-18 - Clomid - 25mg - daily

I also have Nolva in case of gynecomastia.

Other supplements:
Creatine
Multivitamin
Multimineral
Vitamin-C
Something to keep my joins as healthy as possible

Diet:
Eggs for breakfast, meat for lunch and dinner, huge snack between those two and 1l of milk - cca 3200kcal of balance diet. since my BF is at 16-17% I think it should do for the first few weeks.

Training:
Madcow's weekly progressing
Do you think that I should add more auxiliary exercise?

Injection:

Injection protocol from T-nation:

Quote:

Clean top of vial with alcohol (if using a multidose), pull some air into the syringe (as much as it will hold), hold the vial upside down, insert needle, and inject the air into the vial. holding the vial upside down (you need to make sure the tip of the needle is below the level of the liquid), begin to slowly pull back on the plunger and draw the desired amount of liquid into the syringe.

replace the needle

swab injection area with a new, clean, alcohol pad

relax the muscle, stretch the skin taught with your thumb and forefinger or pull the skin to the side a bit. holding the needle like a dart, insert it with one swift motion, all the way to the end of the needle. Do this at a 90 degree angle relative to the muscle you are injecting. Aspirate (pull back the plunger a bit) to make sure you are not in a vein..if you see air you are fine�?�if you see blood you are in a vein.

push down on the plunger slowly with a slow, steady pressure. Once the syringe is empty, pull out the needle with one swift motion, and put pressure on the area with a sterile alcohol pad. Next, simply apply a bandage, recap the needle, and dispose of everything in a safe manner.

Needles:
24.5G at 1.5"
and 23G + 25G on hand if needed

Place of injection:
don't know yet

Possible complications:
Acne - I have stupid skin and back acne has always been a problem for me. I plan to shower 3 times a day and use anti-acne soup
Gyno - already got the puffy nipples with hard lump from my teenage years. I'm hoping that Adex with Nolva on hand is gonna keep things itch-free.

So I guess that's about it. Please let my know what do you think.

I plan on starting next Sunday (10.)

Oh and by the way - all my gear is from GBN made by Kalpa so this is also gonna serve as a review

ncspacy · #2 (**permalink**) 02-03-2013, 08:09 PM

Cetaphil liquid wash for the acne, or nizoral shampoo for wash(it removes DHT from skin, also add a super b complex and vitamin b5(helps with acne) trust me I am prone to acne, like bad.

texas method you need more assistance exercises, and honestly I switched to higher volume while on aas, as you recover quicker, the strength programs are laid out for naturals(ie low volume and skipping days) just my 2 cents

dfwtp · #3 (**permalink**) 02-03-2013, 08:32 PM

might be surprised that when your levels are even, your skin will be much clearer then when it is up and down
at the start it might flare up, but it may improve and be really nice and clear

James42 · #4 (**permalink**) 02-03-2013, 08:39 PM

Madcow 5x5 is a good routine but on gear you would be extremely limited by its slow progression.
I like that stile of training too.
Look into jim wendlers 531. Its ramped to a heavy set like madcows except the final set is as many reps as possible. That way you can continue to make rep records every workout.
Theres a lot of different assistance templates to choose from to suit your goals. Im doing the boring but big template. Its fucking brutal

Eurovisionas · #5 (**permalink**) 02-03-2013, 09:50 PM

First: take a look at this video so you know how to inject How To Inject Testosterone - YouTube

Second: use arimidex only during cycle and then use nolvadex because arimidex will have a rebound effect once you stop it (your estrogen will go way up) but with nolvadex there is no rebound.

Three: I suggest you use a 23g to inject because with a 24,5g it will take forever to inject,in my opinion it's too thin.Also use a 21g to pull the testosterone from the vial.

Four: It would be great if you could shoot HCG from week 3 and on so you keep your testicles alive and have an easier pct, 250iu every 4 days.

Good Luck

Cornish_Celt · #6 (**permalink**) 02-04-2013, 06:17 AM

Can I ask why your only using 30mg of dbol per day?

Nalle · #7 (**permalink**) 02-04-2013, 08:19 AM

Thank you guys for all your replies. I really appreciate every good advice.

ncspacy: I was actually looking at Nizoral the other day. I'm going to buy it next time I go to a pharmacy.

dfwtp: We'll see. It would be awesome if it would turn out like you say.

James42: Understood. I'm going to look into it tonight. I always thought that 531 is even slower then Madcow's..

Eurovisionas: I wasn't too anxious about pinning until I saw that video

But very informative - Vastus Lateralis it is.

- So it would be W 1-12 - Adex, then W 12-14 Nolva (20mg/d?) until Test is gone and then PCT?
- I've read mixed things about HCG so in the end I decided against it.

Thank you

Cornish_Celt: 50mg seems way too much, 20mg too little and 30mg is almost exactly one package. Do you think I should do more?

Cornish_Celt · #8 (**permalink**) 02-04-2013, 08:41 AM

First cycle of Dianabol - 50mg per day
You will get some results from 30mg but nothing major, 50mg per and you will get good results.

Nalle · #9 (**permalink**) 02-04-2013, 08:53 AM

I see. Are (side-)effects going to show in one week? So that I could do 30mg W1 and then do 50mg W2-W4.

Also question about 5/3/1 - is it safe to go so low in reps on steroids? Isn't that how guys tear their muscles?

Cornish_Celt · #10 (**permalink**) 02-04-2013, 10:00 AM

side effects differ from person to person so there is no real answer to that question.
Yes it's a good idea to start on 30mg per day then increase to 50mg, I always taper up and down.

As for training, I would do something like this:

Eight day training cycle
One day training, One day rest

The following training program considers all the essential factors which are neccessary for a quick build up of strength and muscle mass.
In combination with the corerect nutrition its effectivness can be considerably increased.
Based on the high intensity it is not suitable for natural bodybuilders over a long period of time.
This training schedule is obviously only intended as a suggestion and can be changed by every athlete to meet his individual needs.

Day 1:
Chest and Biceps

Bench press: 3 x 6 - 8
Incline bench press: 2 x 6 - 8
Dips(with added weight): 2 x 8 - 10
Barbell curls: 3 x 6 - 10
Dumbell curls: 2 x 6 - 10

Day 3:
Thighs

Squats: 3 x 6 - 10
Leg press: 2 x 6 - 10
Leg curls: 2 x 8 - 10

Day 5:
Shoulders and Triceps

Press behind neck: 3 x 6 - 8
Upright row: 2 x 6 - 10
Side lat raises: 2 x 8 - 10
Lying triceps press: 3 x 6 - 10
Triceps pushdowns: 2 x 8 - 10

Day 7:
Back and Claves

Chins(with added weight): 3 x 8 - 10
Lat pulldown: 2 x 8 - 10
Bent over rows: 2 x 6 - 10
Seated pulley rows: 2 x 6 - 10
Standing calf raise: 3 x 8 - 12
Seated calf raise: 2 x 8 - 12

Note: Training is only on uneven days, i.e. every 2nd, 4th, 6th and 8th day is a complete rest day.
The intervals between various sets should be 3 - 4 minutes.
Try to make sure that the exercises - as much as possible - are carried out using free weights and not machines.
Every muscles is directly trained only once every 8 days.
It is important that every set is carried out until muscle failure, meaning that you are unable to do another rep on your own.
Only in this case are the relatively few sets and long rest periods justified.
The muscle cell must be taken to a strongly catabolic condition since only then will the distinct anticatabolic effect of anabolic/androgenic steroids develop fully.
The required intensity of training, however, can only be achieved when you start (after a short warm up) with the heaviest weight possible and then decrease the weight in every following set, so as you are losing body strength you are still able to achieve the desired amount of reps.

In order to avoid any misunderstandings I will explain this principle:
An ahtlete is able to carry out a maximum of 6 reps with 300 pounds bench press.
1st warm up set: 10 reps with 140 pounds
2nd warm up set: 2 reps with 200 pounds
3rd warm up set: 2 reps with 240 pounds

1st working set: 6 reps with 300 pounds
2nd working set: 7 reps with 280 pounds
3rd working set: 7 reps with 260 pounds

The first warm up set serves to bring blood to the muscles and joints.
The second and third warm up sets are an approach to the weight of the first working set.
The interplay between the muscle and nerve is stimulated, meaning the athlete gets a feeling for the heavy weights without waisting strength and energy at the same time.
During the following exercises the warm up sets are completely omitted which means that they are only neccessary for the first exercise of the muscle to be trained.
Do not forget, however, that during every exercise or set you should try to squeeze out an additional 1 or 2 reps more than the previous session in order to increase training weights the following week.
The continuous tire-some struggle to increase reps and weight is the only way to build a massive body:
Always remember: HEAVY WEIGHTS BUILD BIG MUSCLES.