I'm going to be a bit boring here . . . just watch out for overtraining.

A lot of people seem to start a Test cycle and hammer the training from the off. And then a lot of them find themselves overtraining and lose the momentum just as the Test E (or C or whatever) is starting to kick in and provide that extra boost.

Not saying it will happen, just saying to be aware and that if the heavy bodybuilding stuff is a bit new, to start at a certain pace and build it up.

I said it before and I'll say it again, awesome fat loss so far!

I have a different opinion, over-training is 'over-rated' for me...it's not so easy to over-train... unless you are going twice a day seven days a week at the gym or train the same muscle group every two days it's not gonna happen. I think the chance of overtraining off of steroids is much bigger than when on them. Injury during squatting or deadlifting thinking 'I'm on steroids so I can up the weight 20 pounds each week' is a real threat though.

Thank you for input from everyone. I will definitely take all opinions into consideration. I do know I need to change my routine I currently am doing. So while I wait for my test to arrive I am going to start with my original 3 day plan below that was suggested by HugeTom. Once I get my gear then go 5 day.

DAY 1 CHEST + TRICEPS + ABS

Flat Bench Press 3x12
Incline Dumbbell Press 3x12
Pec Deck 2x15
Close Grip bench 3x 15
Cable Pushdowns 3x15
Overhead dumbbell extensions 2x15

ABS
Leg Raises 3x30
Sit Ups 3x30

DAY 2 Cardio 30-40 Min

DAY 3. LEGS+SHOULDERS

Squats 2x12
Leg Extensions 3x15
Calf Raise 3x12
Seated Smith Overhead Press 2x12
Staying Lateral Raise 2x12
Arnold Press 2x 12

ABS
Leg Raises 3x30
Sit Ups 3x30

DAY 4 OFF

DAY 5
BACK+BICEPS
Pull Ups 3xmaximum amount of reps
Seated Rows 3x15
Deadlift
Barbell Biceps Curls 3x10
Concentration Biceps Curls2x20

ABS
Leg Raises 3x30
Sit Ups 3x3

Thanks again all keep the input coming.

The point about it being easy to overtrain when off steroids than on is exactly the point I'm trying to make.

If you are using Test C then it will probably take 4 to 5 weeks to properly kick in. I felt something going on after 2 to 3 weeks when I took test E but it was probably 4 to 5 weeks before it really started.

So my point, is that until it does kick in you are training without the steroid back up. Unless you have been training for some time and all you do is continue with that or similar I think you consider 'getting into' your new routine in a progressive manner and not blast of from the off.

I've seen loads of people go at it like a nutter for a month or two and then for some reason (overtraining probably) lose momentum, focus and possibly even calling it a day.

Overtraining doesn't necessarily mean injury etc. It means working a bit too hard in the gym, working a bit too hard out of the gym, not being able to sleep as well as you usually do, not recovering before you hit the iron again and therefore not progressing properly. It can also mean losing interest and not fully understanding why!

That said, if you've been training hard for years on steroids then I doubt that overtraining is even the slightest issue. If not . . .

Just my opinion.

been told biggest mistake is overtraining and under-eating

Received first cycle products from GBN starting Sunday.

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Good luck with your cycle mate. You won't be disappointed. I've been training naturally for decades and then I started a cycle and it's the best thing I ever did. Just be sensible. There really is no need to do stupid doses.

Thanks for the advice. I am running 500 a week for 12 weeks off weeks 13&14 then PCT 15-17. HugeTom has been a huge help to me with advice and guidance.

That's more or less what I did and I ate to cut (low carbs but plenty of protein) and still gained muscle. If you eat to gain you will not be disappointed. I guarantee that.

Let us all know how it goes?

OMG! That's awesome. Congrats for the weight lose and thanks for sharing what you did to get such an awesome result.

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