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Yeah, both points are good and I think in the end is a result of personal preferences.

I like the option with kickstart however last time I stick to short acting esters.

i think hes point was that test e you dont feel anything till week 5-6
so if do dbol week 1-6 only get effects from dbol then and week 6pluss you will only get effects from the test e
where if wait yes you dont get anything week 1-5
but after that will get effects from both and complement each other so get better results from the dbol

i can see both points