Thinking of taking steroids. I have a few questions. - Steroids Source Talk

Cornish_Celt · #1 (**permalink**) 05-07-2011, 09:34 PM

So you weight train for 1 and a half hours every day is that correct?
What you have to remember about Arnold apart from him being a genetic freak is the fact that he was on gear most of the time! Which would enable him to recover quicker.
If you are training with heavy weights for that long five days a week then it sounds like some serious over training! Can you give me break down of your Chest workout and Biceps workout, what exercises, how many sets and how many reps?

As I said before it is possible to build muscle and burn fat but you have to make sure that your diet is ultra clean, I can give you a diet to follow if you really want to do it the way you have explained, Thats no problem.

I am concerned about the amount of training your doing so get back to me with those 2 workouts I asked for.

As for the gear, lets get the diet and training sorted and then if you still want to take gear I/we can advise you on the safest way and what to use etc

tarheelsrule44 · #2 (**permalink**) 05-07-2011, 09:40 PM

I got the workout from my brother in law who has a book from the 80s on Arnold. The workout goes as follows:

Monday/Wednesday/Friday
Chest
Barbell bench press: 4 sets of 10, 8, 6, and 4 reps
Barbell incline bench press: 4 sets of 10, 8, 6, and 4 reps
Dumbbell flys: 3 sets of 10, 8, and 6 reps
Parallel bar dips: 3 sets of 15, 10 and 8 reps
Pullovers: 3 sets of 15 reps each

Back
Chin-ups: 4 sets of 10 reps minimum each side
Close-grip chins: 4 sets of 10 reps
T-bar rows: 4 sets of 15, 12, 8, and 6 reps
Bent-over barbell rows: 4 sets of 8-12 reps

Thighs
Squat: 5 sets of 10, 8, 6, and 4 reps with a 20 rep warm-up set
Front squats: 4 sets of 10, 8, 8, and 6 reps
Hack squats: 3 sets of 10 reps each
Leg curls: 4 sets of 20, 10, 8, and 6 reps
Standing leg curls: 4 sets of 10 reps each
Straight-leg dead lifts: 3 sets of 10 reps each

Calves
Donkey calf raises: 4 sets of 10 reps each
Standing calf raises: 4 sets of 15, 10, 8, and 8 reps

Tuesday/Thursday
Shoulders
Behind-the-neck-barbell press: 5 sets of 10, 8, 8, and 6 reps with a 15-set warm-up
Lateral raises: 4 sets of 8 reps each
Bent-over dumbbell laterals: 4 sets of 8 reps each
Dumbbell shrugs: 3 sets of 10 reps each

Upper arms
Standing barbell curls: 5 sets of 15, 10, 8, 6, and 4 reps
Incline dumbbell curls: 4 sets of 8 reps each
Concentration curls: 3 sets of 8 reps each
One-arm triceps extensions: 3 sets of 10 reps each

Forearms
Barbell wrist curls: 4 sets of 10 reps each
Reverse wrist curls: 3 sets of 10 reps each

When I first saw the workout I thought it was too much and didn't do all of it. But then when I wasn't getting big gains like I had heard people were getting I started doing all of it. Lot's of times I do one less set than it says to do. I'll skip the first step and just do the last 3 or 4. It is very rigorous and tiresome so I wouldn't doubt for one second that I'm over training.

And yes of course, I'd be interested in your diet. I need all the help I can get.

Cornish_Celt · #3 (**permalink**) 05-07-2011, 10:03 PM

Holy shit!!!
Bro, that is way, way too much!
I'm on gear most of the time and even with the speeded recovery, I wouldn't dream of doing anywhere near as much as that and I'm known for doing brutal workouts as the guys on here will tell you!
That upper arm workout is crazy, 12 sets for biceps is too much by about 6 or 7 sets.
and only 3 sets for triceps is not enough!

Right so we need to sort your diet and training

First the training:
You could try any of the following:
This is the Dorian Yates HIT routine, It is brutal and do not attempt it if you don't have a spotter!(This is also my personal favorite)
https://www.hypermuscles.com/f69/dorians-program-575/

The next one is a 3 days per week full body routine, This is excellent!
https://www.hypermuscles.com/f69/new...ull-body-1637/

This one is for intermediates but is great
https://www.hypermuscles.com/f69/bod...mediates-1919/

The first thing you will notice with those training programs is how much less you do compared to your current program!

As for the diet I will work one out for you and post it up

Cornish_Celt · #4 (**permalink**) 05-07-2011, 10:36 PM

Here is an article and typical mass gaining diet, How does yours compare?
https://www.hypermuscles.com/f72/dav...ing-diet-1766/

Here is a write up on Hardcore Nutrition:
https://www.hypermuscles.com/f72/har...utrition-1484/

And the follow up Harcore Training, which is also an excellent training program:
https://www.hypermuscles.com/f70/har...training-1485/

tarheelsrule44 · #5 (**permalink**) 05-09-2011, 04:30 AM

real good info here man.

I think i'll give Dorian's workout a try for now. I mixed his up on saturday and did his shoulder/bicep workout and I'm pretty sore right now, was real intense.

I'l do his for a while and see how that goes. I think I'll also up my calorie intake for a bit, just to see if I see any more strength gains. Talked to a "personal trainer" at the gym today who said at my size he didn't think I was eating enough to get stronger and that my body didn't know if it should lose weight or build muscle, so it did nothing basically. I guess I could see that. I quote personal trainer because he was basically some roided up dude who just works out there. Not that I have anything against roiders, just that, well, they have a bit of an advantage... that I want.

But really some good info in here. I'll be checking back in shortly.

tarheelsrule44 · #6 (**permalink**) 05-12-2011, 02:49 AM

I like the Dorian work out and all... but that dude was on major gear.

I'm ready to just start taking it. Please, share you're knowledge with me!

My budget is about 200 bucks. In the process of reading the books that you told me about. Good Info, but I'm ready to buy and use. Just need to know where to buy online that will ship it to America and how to dose it. I'm cool with needles but if there's anything I can take orally that is just as good then I'd like to know about it. Would also like to know any personal experiences you have with it also.