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Hey guys thanks for taking to time to read and give advice im thinking of running a cycle and it would look like this

kickstart week 1-4 winny tabs 30-50mg per day
week 1 - 10 Sustanon type blend at 350 per ml consisting of
Testosterone Decanoate 140mg/ml
Testosterone Phaenylpropionate 84mg/ml
Testosterone Propionate 42mg/ml
Testosterone Isocarpoate 84mg/ml
taking .75ml twice per week.

week 1 -6 npp 150mg/ml per week in 3shots

week 1- 6 test prop 150mg/ml per week in 3shots (on top of whats in the blend)

week 11 - 14 sus blend 350mg/ml per week

week 15 - 17 i will be tapering down (it does work)

week 19 - 21 pct

My stats im 20 years old (il be 21 when i start)
over 4 years training hard from day one
im 5' 6' ish around 185-187 pounds
16% bodyfat or so
goals are to but on some nice size 10 pounds or so of hard muscle while dropping fat unlike most people my age and older thinking 30 or 40 pounds of fat and bloat because of a crap diet. Dont want to used tons of gear im going with little is more (old school way) i do put my mork in the gym and diet and rest... will be doing my diet for the cycle just before i do it in the near future.
2 cycles done before.
dont really wana use deca used it before and made me like a marshmellow :/
I would like to run clen with this and would like to know what people think the best way to do that so many diffrent answers 2weeks on 2 weeks off, 2 weeks on 1 week off, 2days on 1 day off and so on help is very much appreciated and if t3 is worth doing with the clen.

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Bro I guess this is your first cycle and in this case you dont need so many products, you better save money on them for your next cycle.
As a first cycle it would be enough testosterone enanthate/cypionate @500mg/week in 2 shoots.
Or Propionate in case you have it on hand, but remember that with propionate you will have to do more injections like 100mg/EOD.
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Hey thanks for your input. its my third ive had dbol, eq, winny, test and deca between them. thinking of test e with a winny kickstart atm maybe prop with the winny? any help with how to run clen ive seen so many diffrents ways to run it thanks
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I'm stuck at work at the moment but I will answer this in a bit more depth as soon as I finish
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Not only is way to much but at 20-21 years old and with that BF%, you should be looking in add more cardio and a good diet. Spend money in Nutritionist instead in juice. This supplements are not the solution but a help for those that are stock in the same place after years of long training.Of course, this is just a humble suggestions and if you going to do it, better do it right. HM is a good place to start. CK the GBN site, They have a lot of info there as well we do here at HM. Just do not start until you have all the bases cover.
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I have to agree with darkside, You shouldn't even be thinking about using gear at your age,
All you want to do is add 10lbs of muscle and drop body fat, you don't need gear to do that you can do that just by getting your diet right.
Gear is not a miracle drug, it's just another supplement that can help attain your goals.

I know that if you have made up your mind then you will do it anyway so if you're going to then at least do it properly and safely.

As for the cycle, forget the test prop and npp it's just a waist of money at this stage.
2ml of Sus per week for 10 to 12 weeks and sort your diet, you'll be surprised at the results.
Pct should start 18 to 21 days after your last jab, Sus is in the system longer than other tests.

Clenbuterol: Personally I would do 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off
Once you have found your optimum dosage the fat will drop off.

Forget T3 at this stage you just don't need it

Once you have the diet sorted, you will find it so much easier to get what you want
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Ok guys thanks alot why my bf% is so high im finished a 8month bulking diet off not to long ago and im starting to cut now starting in the next week or 2. i just wanted help with a nice little cycle thanks alot guys il see how things go
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