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I have 1 vial of tren, mast and test, all enanthates.... and some anavar.... what would be the best 8 week cycle with this? I've never taken tren but have taken everything else.... thoughts?
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Not that ill have much input on the matter as I'm still somewhat novice, I would imagine they would like to know stats, diet, routine and goal in mind in order to piece the right cycle together for you.
The more info you give the better these guys can help. Couldn't begin to tell you how helpful they have been for me. Hope you get what your looking for and welcome aboard
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If it was me l'd run the cycle like this . . .
1-5: 200mg test EW
1-4: 500mg tren EW
6-8: 500mg test EW

The reasons are that you will get great results from 4 weeks of tren and by doing just 4 weeks the sides shouldn't be too bad. Note that with the enanthate ester it will actually be more like 6 weeks, should the sides get bad!

I would also run the test lower than the tren to keep estrogen levels as low as possible to prevent prolactin issues. I would make sure l had caber on hand, just in case. That's why I would not up the test until a week after I'd stopped using the tren. You can then up the test for the last three weeks.

You need to be aware of the tren sides. I get trensomnia and a bit abrupt, if not outright pissed off at people. That's why I keep my tren acetate down to 4 week runs. And I get excellent results. That's maybe just my trade off, but for me it makes it acceptable.

I would also have used a shorter ester for a shorter cycle but that's what you've got . . . That's what you need to do.

Start your pct 2 or 3 weeks after the last test pin, depending who's version of proper pct you choose to follow. I personally taper down my test for a few weeks and then wait 2 weeks, but I run aromasin throughout anyway.

Can't help with the masteron. Don't use it, don't see what it adds, but hopefully someone can help.

Don't know how much var you have but maybe run it at the very end of the cycle and maybe a week after last test pin.


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i didnt think you would get much from 4 weeks of tren e surly bearly kick in

what i would do is put it to one side and buy more gear to run the cycle you want rather that just dribs and drabs of what you have

i think steriods can have effects so if i take the risk i think i want to do it right with everthing i want out of the cycle and make sure i have everthing there from the start just in case needed hcg caber letro nolva
tren is crazy and will love it or hate it
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Know what you're saying about it barely kicking in, Andy, but ultimately you must still get the same effect, just delayed by a week or two. It will then last a week or two longer once it has kicked in.

I use tren ace and I'm more than happy with a 4 week run. I'm also convinced it's still doing its magic for a week or two after I stop. The same must surely apply to tren E, except that the effects will continue for even longer. Depends what you want from a cycle, I suppose.

Do agree that I would wait until I've got enough of everything to run at least 12 weeks though.

It's an awkward stock of AAS to plan an 8 week cycle for though. The OP has used before, just not tren, so I was presuming he knows about PCT etc

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BASED ON WHAT I HAVE IN STOCK NOW:
Im thinking something like this:

1-10 Test Enan @ 500mg/wk
1-10 Clen @ 60mcg/day
1-8 Mast Enan @ 400mg/wk
1-4 Dbol 50mg/day
7-10 Anavar @ 50mg/day
7-10 Winny @ 50mg/day

Might exclude this, but don't see how .25cc extra per week will hurt lol
4-8 Tren Enan @ 100mg/wk (if the sides aren't bad, always next cycle)

Then a typical PCT with Clomid/Nolva

Thoughts?

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BASED ON WHAT I HAVE IN STOCK NOW:
Im thinking something like this:

1-10 Test Enan @ 500mg/wk
1-10 Clen @ 60mcg/day
1-8 Mast Enan @ 400mg/wk
1-4 Dbol 50mg/day
7-10 Anavar @ 50mg/day
7-10 Winny @ 50mg/day

Might exclude this, but don't see how .25cc extra per week will hurt lol
4-8 Tren Enan @ 100mg/wk (if the sides aren't bad, always next cycle)

Then a typical PCT with Clomid/Nolva

Thoughts?
looks lot better and sod it chuck it in if want to
is there a break in that clen or you planning to run everyday/week for 10 weeks i like either 2 weeks on 2 off but week on week off is good as side dont show as much
whats your goal on this cycle take it you want to lean out somewhat
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yeah i want some strength gains, which i usually obtain from just test alone... i can get 50 pounds more out of bench which is pretty much what i want (be able to bench 315 repping). I was planning on using clen everyday but now am considering taking it at a lower dose of 40mcg since its my first time... what are the benefits of week on and week off? do the sides get that bad?

Will I see any benefit from doing 50mg/week of tren?

I'd like to get more definition and vascularity. Not too much more size as I'm happy fitting in a large shirt right now, just want that tone, pumped look I always get with a test/mast/eq/var cycle typically. Just doing it a little differently this time.
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I was planning on using clen everyday but now am considering taking it at a lower dose of 40mcg since its my first time... what are the benefits of week on and week off? do the sides get that bad?

Will I see any benefit from doing 50mg/week of tren?
i dont think get much from 50mg week would just save it for future use

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Clenbuterol FAQ: Everything you need to know about Clen
I wrote this because of all the confusion that surrounds this drug. Enjoy.

What is Clenbuterol?
Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35 hours and not 48 hours.

Dosing and Cycling
Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump and injectable form. Doses are very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere in the range of 5-8 tablets per day for men and 1-4 tablets a day for women is most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after 6-8 weeks when body temperature drops back to normal. It's anabolic/anti-catabolic properties fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine can be used in the off weeks.

Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP
Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine short half life prevents it from being all that effective.

As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a time.

Side effects

NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN
The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and increased blood pressure.

Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming bananas and oranges or supplementing with GNC potassium tablets at 200-400mg a day taken before bed on an empty stomach.

Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taken at the first signs of a headache. You may need to take double the recommended dose.

Common Uses
Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness, vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be used by non AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, Carbs must be included in the diet. Keto diet do not work well in this case.

Precautions: Is Clen for you?
The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although some people find ECA stacks harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation before a workout for an extra kick, although its diuretic effects may shift electrolyte balance. Drink more water if you use Caffeine.

What else do I need to know?
Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within the first 3-4 days of use.

A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day.

Example of a first cycle:
Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to normal gradually)
Day14: 60mcg
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:
Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100mcg
Day14: 80mcg
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water: 1.5-2 gallons a day.

All brands are not equal when it comes to Clen, different brands will yield different results.
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that is outstanding advise, much appreciated! Guess I'll give it a whirl as soon as my package comes in and see how this cycle treats me.... might be my last one... EVER!
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