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Old 02-04-2013, 06:17 AM
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Can I ask why your only using 30mg of dbol per day?
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Thank you guys for all your replies. I really appreciate every good advice.

ncspacy: I was actually looking at Nizoral the other day. I'm going to buy it next time I go to a pharmacy.

dfwtp: We'll see. It would be awesome if it would turn out like you say.

James42: Understood. I'm going to look into it tonight. I always thought that 531 is even slower then Madcow's..

Eurovisionas: I wasn't too anxious about pinning until I saw that video But very informative - Vastus Lateralis it is.

- So it would be W 1-12 - Adex, then W 12-14 Nolva (20mg/d?) until Test is gone and then PCT?
- I've read mixed things about HCG so in the end I decided against it.

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Cornish_Celt: 50mg seems way too much, 20mg too little and 30mg is almost exactly one package. Do you think I should do more?
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First cycle of Dianabol - 50mg per day
You will get some results from 30mg but nothing major, 50mg per and you will get good results.
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I see. Are (side-)effects going to show in one week? So that I could do 30mg W1 and then do 50mg W2-W4.

Also question about 5/3/1 - is it safe to go so low in reps on steroids? Isn't that how guys tear their muscles?
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side effects differ from person to person so there is no real answer to that question.
Yes it's a good idea to start on 30mg per day then increase to 50mg, I always taper up and down.

As for training, I would do something like this:

Eight day training cycle
One day training, One day rest


The following training program considers all the essential factors which are neccessary for a quick build up of strength and muscle mass.
In combination with the corerect nutrition its effectivness can be considerably increased.
Based on the high intensity it is not suitable for natural bodybuilders over a long period of time.
This training schedule is obviously only intended as a suggestion and can be changed by every athlete to meet his individual needs.

Day 1:
Chest and Biceps


Bench press: 3 x 6 - 8
Incline bench press: 2 x 6 - 8
Dips(with added weight): 2 x 8 - 10
Barbell curls: 3 x 6 - 10
Dumbell curls: 2 x 6 - 10

Day 3:
Thighs


Squats: 3 x 6 - 10
Leg press: 2 x 6 - 10
Leg curls: 2 x 8 - 10

Day 5:
Shoulders and Triceps


Press behind neck: 3 x 6 - 8
Upright row: 2 x 6 - 10
Side lat raises: 2 x 8 - 10
Lying triceps press: 3 x 6 - 10
Triceps pushdowns: 2 x 8 - 10

Day 7:
Back and Claves


Chins(with added weight): 3 x 8 - 10
Lat pulldown: 2 x 8 - 10
Bent over rows: 2 x 6 - 10
Seated pulley rows: 2 x 6 - 10
Standing calf raise: 3 x 8 - 12
Seated calf raise: 2 x 8 - 12

Note: Training is only on uneven days, i.e. every 2nd, 4th, 6th and 8th day is a complete rest day.
The intervals between various sets should be 3 - 4 minutes.
Try to make sure that the exercises - as much as possible - are carried out using free weights and not machines.
Every muscles is directly trained only once every 8 days.
It is important that every set is carried out until muscle failure, meaning that you are unable to do another rep on your own.
Only in this case are the relatively few sets and long rest periods justified.
The muscle cell must be taken to a strongly catabolic condition since only then will the distinct anticatabolic effect of anabolic/androgenic steroids develop fully.
The required intensity of training, however, can only be achieved when you start (after a short warm up) with the heaviest weight possible and then decrease the weight in every following set, so as you are losing body strength you are still able to achieve the desired amount of reps.

In order to avoid any misunderstandings I will explain this principle:
An ahtlete is able to carry out a maximum of 6 reps with 300 pounds bench press.
1st warm up set: 10 reps with 140 pounds
2nd warm up set: 2 reps with 200 pounds
3rd warm up set: 2 reps with 240 pounds

1st working set: 6 reps with 300 pounds
2nd working set: 7 reps with 280 pounds
3rd working set: 7 reps with 260 pounds

The first warm up set serves to bring blood to the muscles and joints.
The second and third warm up sets are an approach to the weight of the first working set.
The interplay between the muscle and nerve is stimulated, meaning the athlete gets a feeling for the heavy weights without waisting strength and energy at the same time.
During the following exercises the warm up sets are completely omitted which means that they are only neccessary for the first exercise of the muscle to be trained.
Do not forget, however, that during every exercise or set you should try to squeeze out an additional 1 or 2 reps more than the previous session in order to increase training weights the following week.
The continuous tire-some struggle to increase reps and weight is the only way to build a massive body:
Always remember: HEAVY WEIGHTS BUILD BIG MUSCLES.
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Thanks a lot! The routine looks solid. I guess that Lyle McDonald’s program would do as well if I wanted to switch things up mid-cycle:

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Mon: Lower
Squat: 3-4X6-8/3′ (3-4 sets of 6-8 with a 3′ rest)
SLDL or leg curl: 3-4X6-8/3′
Leg press: 2-3X10-12/2′
Another leg curl: 2-3X10-12/2′
Calf raise: 3-4X6-8/3′
Seated calf: 2-3X10-12/2′

Tue: Upper
Flat bench: 3-4X6-8/3′
Row: 3-4X6-8/3′
Incline bench or shoulder press: 2-3X10-12/2′
Pulldown/chin: 2-3X10-12/2′
Triceps: 1-2X12-15/1.5′
Biceps: 1-2X12-15/1.5′

For the Thu/Fri workouts either repeat the first two or make some slight exercise substitutions. Can do deadlift/leg press combo on Thu, switch incline/pulldown to first exercises on upper body day. A lot depends on volume tolerance, if the above is too much, go to 2-3X6-8 and 1-2X10-12
I like how his program makes me squat 2x a week.

Do you guys deadlift on cycle?
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Thanks a lot! The routine looks solid. I guess that Lyle McDonald’s program would do as well if I wanted to switch things up mid-cycle:



I like how his program makes me squat 2x a week.

Do you guys deadlift on cycle?


I squat 5 times a week and deadlift 2 times a week.

Right now still natural, but the program I picked, i chose it to suit my needs while on cycle as you grow faster and recover better.

SO I plan it hit all compound lifts hard and get stronger!!!
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Ok, I noticed that you want to be a power lifter not a bodybuilder.

Yep, exactly I'd say that this is my bodybuilding goal http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...raining018.jpg haha

Thank you for the program. I've made some minor modifications and now it looks like this:

Monday:
  • Squat
  • SLDL
  • Leg press
  • Leg curls

Tuesday:
  • Bench press
  • Incline Dumbell press
  • Dips

Thursday:
  • Deadlift
  • Rack lockouts - no good rack in my gym :/
  • Rows
  • Seated rows
  • Bent over dumbell raises
  • Shoulder shrugs

Friday: - maybe Saturday
  • Press
  • Side lateral raises
  • Close grip bench
  • Extensions
  • Curl
  • Seated preacher curls

Abs - On Tuesday and Friday- Hanging leg raises / Crunches 6 sets of 10 reps
Calves - just on Monday -Standing calf raises / Seated calf raises 6 sets of 10 reps

With 5 theoretical pounds up on squat each week for 10 weeks - thats 50 pounds. Not too bad.

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That's looking good
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Eurovisionas: I wasn't too anxious about pinning until I saw that video But very informative - Vastus Lateralis it is.

- So it would be W 1-12 - Adex, then W 12-14 Nolva (20mg/d?) until Test is gone and then PCT?
- I've read mixed things about HCG so in the end I decided against it.

Thank you
Mixed things about hcg? What was bad about it?

You can use novla too for pct together with clomid
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