Ordering gear and starting my summer cut cycle in two weeks need some advise!!!!
 

Placing my order today and I will have everything for my cycle that I need.

Here is my 12 week cycle and I choose this cycle with lots of research and professional advise. I did a lot of research and made a plan here it is.

Weeks 1-12 cut mix 150 1ml eod 1mg is 50mg test p
/50mg tren A/ 50 mg drostolone P
Test P 100mg eod
So that's 400mg test p per week
Exemestane 25mg eod
Weeks 1-4 oral Winnie 25mg 2x ed
Weeks 8-12 oral Winnie 10mg 3x ed
Weeks 13-17 pct
Nolva and exemestane, how should I take these during pct?
What's your thoughts on my cycle and pct? I could up the dose on the cut mix and or test p some where in my cycle either the middle or at the end. I would like to be at 500mg test P my research says that's a good solid baseline for test in a cycle. and what dose regiment should I use with my pct? My research suggest nolva is superior to clomid and clomid has lots of negative sides. Adding exemestane to nolva is a great combo for pct. will the use of exemestane for 17 weeks be safe?

Thanks for your help.

You may consider lowering your dosage of Examestane to 12.5mg EOD?

Lower the AI dose ! And some Q&A
 

I will do that thanks got the advise. Go low if I need it and work my way up until it becomes effective.

Ok
Here's my questions on my research I'm going on a cutting cycle 12 weeks with 4 week pct.
Per my research the normal male test production is 250mg per week. While using aas it will shut down production. So 250mg a week of test is just normal. So 500mg of test per week is
a good base on any cycle. If I use just cut mix 1 ml eod that puts me at 200mg per week of test p. That's under the normal production. I want to be at 500mg test per week.
My research says gyno and bloat tend to surface at 500mg of test per week around weeks 4&5 that's why an AI should be on hand before a cycle starts. I don't think I'm prone to gyno but I am to bloat and oily skill and hair loss. I drink a gallon of water at least a day.
I want to use cut mix 1ml eod and that gives me 200mg test p. I will add 100mg test p eod so I will have a 400mg test p per week on a nice steady level.
Next question is on drostolone as an estrogen blocker. Research shows it does block estrogen minimally and an AI should still be on hand? At. 400mg of test p per week and 200mg of drostolone per week I might not need the AI? I want to use an AI to keep estrogen levels at a healthy level and keep bloat at bay. What do you think?e test production is 250mg per week. While using aas it will shut down production. So 250mg a week of test is just normal. So 500mg of test per week is
a good base on any cycle. If I use just cut mix 1 ml eod that puts me at 200mg per week of test p. That's under the normal production. I want to be at 500mg test per week.
My research says gyno and bloat tend to surface at 500mg of test per week around weeks 4&5 that's why an AI should be on hand before a cycle starts. I don't think I'm prone to gyno but I am to bloat and oily skill and hair loss. I drink a gallon of water at least a day.
I want to use cut mix 1ml eod and that gives me 200mg test p. I will add 100mg test p eod so I will have a 400mg test p per week on a nice steady level.
Next question is on drostolone as an estrogen blocker. Research shows it does block estrogen minimally and an AI should still be on hand? At. 400mg of test p per week and 200mg of drostolone per week I might not need the AI? I want to use an AI to keep estrogen levels at a healthy level and keep bloat at bay. What do you think?

I'm interested to know where you did your research?
You state in your post that injecting 1ml of cutmix every other day will put you below natural test production levels and that normal male test production is 250mg per week.

I have news for you, The average male (18-35) produces somewhere in the range of 4-7mg of testosterone per day. That's 28-49mg per week - No where near 250mg.

You may actually want to do a bit more research before you start taking gear.

i think you may be confusing nat test levels

are you sure dont mean
ng/dl (nanograms per decilitre)

this is what levels are measured in blood test for instance
i beleive the range is something like 250ng/dl to 850ng/dl for natty test production this is from as cc said about 7mg of test production dont quote me as not sure
but even 250mg of test per week these readings from test will go off chart
so you will be well above natty levels

and if doing 100mg of test prop eod
and cut mix with 50mg of test prop in eod that would be arounf 600mg of prop per 7 days

Thank you
 

I need more research on the test levels. My past usage of cutmix, libibo was effected. I've been studying this cutting cycle for a year. Last summer I had great results with cutmix. This summer I'm adding test p to the mix. 600mg a week sounds like a good base don't you think?

Yup ur good to go

So correct me if I'm wrong, this is your first real cycle and you're going to be using 4 different compounds?

So all this research you have done has brought you to the conclusion that running 4 different compounds on your first cycle is a good idea, I am intrigued as to where you got this information

Tren is not a beginner thing. You should mess with less harsh products first to get the feel of how your body adjusts to this stuff.
No drug will cut you up unless you have a great diet for that look. Shit I use products that most use for per contest. I use for lean bulk. Its all on your diet.
Take it slow and be safe. It is your body. We don't want anyone to screw up there body.

On a more serious note. I do agree with CC. For a first cycle, keep it simple.

Consider just running the Test-P, and Winstrol.

My very first cycle was Test Cypionate, and Dbol. After running that cycle, and seeing how I responded, my next cycle I stuck with the Cypionate and Dbol, and added some Deca.

Lol that was great. I have used the cut mix with Winnie before with good results just not a real cycle. Only ran 6 weeks. And no pct. So I saved my my money stocked up got pct and gyno protection and now I have enough to run my cutting cycle 12 weeks I'm adding more test p because of libido. If things get nasty with the cut mix I will drop it and just stick with the test p. I don't know what it is about the cutmix but it's the real deal Holyfield.

You haven't mention any thing you have for the sides of tren.. and I even asked numerous times. There for I have to belive you are not fully prepared. Go a head run the cycle add in as much prop as you want and good luck with dick issues anyway again. You ask for help but your gonna do as you choose anyhow. I hope I'm wrong here.
Anyways cutting all come down to diet. You can cut with any drug. There no need to run tren.

I do appreciate the input bro. Tren dicks about the only negative side I have had. The old lady said I taste like chemicals too. So I am thinking of getting a few viagras just in case my plan to up the test don't pan out. But look I was looking into tren e and I said no; the stuff has a long half life, the ace gets out real quick and I'm experienced with it. Test c too but since P is in the cut mix I'm sticking with that and it's less water reten and I am pron to that since I drink 2 or 3 gallons a day a work during the summer.
My diets been legit the last month I'm losing any kind of fat I had and my abs haven't looked better. I've been preping my self for 2 months getting ready for. This deal.
So question is what do you suggest I do to prepare for the sides? I have sleep aids on hand.

So why the hell do you need to go on cutmix?

You did one 6 week cycle, which you did wrong(according to your other posts)
And you think you're experienced with Tren!

You intend taking 4 different compounds, how are you going to know which compound gave you sides if you experience them?

Tren is not for inexperienced users, you should have a minimum of 5 completed cycles before even contemplating the use of Tren.

I have to agree with CC. What's wrong with a basic 500mg EW cycle of test? If you diet to cut and train to cut, you will cut and you will never suffer any 'dick' problems.

If you've started on Tren this early, plus whatever else you seem intent on adding then what are you going to do in future?

Seriously, you need to look after your health. It's a long term thing, not just a quick fix. Even if you do cut more and cut quicker your way it will not be without some downsides that wouldn't happen with just test.

Not having a pop, honest. Just don't like to see someone not think it through properly.

Thanks for the input
I seriously considered just test c and a lot of other options. My plans are changing because of the advise I have received thank you.
Weeks 1-4 & 8-12
Cut mix 150 150mg eod
Test p 100mg eod
Oral Winnie 10mg 2x ed
Weeks 4-8
Test p 150mg eod

Whats changed?

Was going to run the cut mix 1-12 now I am just using it at the beginning and at the end. 1-4 & 8-12

The duration is not the issue!
The issue is the amount of different compounds you're using on your first real cycle and the type of compounds you're using(Tren)

You are completely missing the point.

You also seem very happy to recommend diet and cardio to other members: http://hypermuscles.com/f239/got-my-...190/#post34952
So why is that not good enough for you?

I don't know how old you are and if it's in this thread somewhere apologies for not finding it, but my guess is not that old. My point here, again, is that you have plenty of time to up the ante. You've also got plenty of time to suffer from any lasting damage you might do.

You haven't done a proper cycle yet. You can't possibly know what gains you might achieve from 12 to 14 weeks of Test C. If you jump in with loads of different compounds at the very beginning how will you ever know you will get from a sensible dose of one compound, preferably test?

You must have read plenty of people advising a simple test cycle for your first cycle. there's a reason for that. Equally, you must have read about the additional sides that come from tren and about the problems of running multi compounds without knowing which one does what to you? If not, go and read them. This advice is for a reason.

Don't jump on the more is better, therefore ridiculous amounts must be better still bandwagon. That bandwagon will still be rolling by if you decide to add more compounds either next cycle or in future cycles. You might even decide you don't need them and save money.

I appreciate it's for you to make your own mind up. Just urging you to consider all the advice before you do. And don't forget, that's why you posted the question in the first place!

Good luck with whatever you do decide though.

Solid advice.

I'm 34 and I used the cut mix last summer. I already got my gear together. So here is a new cycle I'm getting together. It took me a while to get some info from the pros here and I ordered a little to quick. I should have done what I was going to do. That was test c with Winnie. Now I'm going to have all this gear. Tell me whats a good cycle with what I have. Stats 34 5'6" 170lbs 12% bf
3x 10ml 3 cut mix
5x test p
1x test e
Oral Winnie
100 10 mg
20 50 mg
30 Exemestane 25 mg
30 clomid 50 mg
Got it all and about to start

That's easy, get another vial of Test E and do 500mg(2ml) per week for 10 weeks.

You don't need most of that for a first cycle, you would have been better off buying 2 vials of Test E and a couple of boxes of Nolva, the rest is simply not needed.
As CC said, get another bottle of Test E and save the rest for a later cycle

That would be a nice but not an option help me out here.

If it's not an option then you shouldn't even be thinking about taking gear, you obviously have not researched as much as you think you have because if you had you wouldn't be question people with many years of experience.

What you have bought is not for a novice.

Taking multiple compounds on your first cycle is ridiculous because you don't know how you are going to react, as said before if you start to get side effects how are you going to know which compound is causing it?

You have 5 bottles of Test P there, you could do a prop cycle at 1ml eod but by the end of your cycle you probably won't want to use prop again as it can hurt like hell.

Not an option is a crap excuse when your considering taking something that could seriously fuck you up!

I've used the cut mix last summer with the Winnie with good results I know how it will effect me. Give me something to work with.

The only sides I had were acne on my back and libido but nothing to serious

You used it by injecting it once a week a according to your previous posts, That does not mean you have experience with gear, it means you had no clue what you where doing and it seems that the same still applies.

No one on here is going to recommend you taking cutmix, winny and extra prop on your first cycle, it's as simple as that.

You would get the same results by doing 500mg of test e per week and a decent diet.

I just don't understand. Why are you desperately waiting for someone to give you the OK to run the cycle you want?

Why don't you take the advice - that you're getting not just from this forum but if you look, on every forum there is out there - to run a sensible test only cycle first?

You don't have to throw away the gear you already have. It's not a waste. One more bottle of test E or C won't break the bank. Get a decent first cycle under your belt. understand exactly whats happens and then, if you decide you have to, add another compound next time.

I could almost guarantee that if you run a test cycle properly you will be more than happy with the results. If you do get sides such as itchy/tender nips/gyno, water retention, rise in blood pressure etc then you can deal with them and you will learn a bit about how that works as well. Armed with that knowledge you can jump on at the next level with a bit of experience behind you.

Honestly, mate, no one here has some sort of hidden agenda to prevent you doing well. We all want to make sure you do it safely, progressively and effectively.

I'm going to shut up completely now. There's nothing more I can add, either now or in the future. And it's going to look like I'm nagging. :)

As I said previously, good luck.

some peoples children cc.... lol

Agree best gains I ever had was test only, there are no cutting or bulking drugs you can get ripped with just test if your diet is on point. Point being if you can get ripped as u want from test alone why add all that other stuff? Imo u should never go up in dose or add compounds until ur not growing anymore from it. Then check it diet again then if needed add 1 compound some compounds only work when are at a certain level where they can truly work winny,mast don't do shit unless your already are in low body fat. Dante put it best in cycles for pennies that everyone looks for the newest compound to take them to the next level when larger dose of test say 1g yields better gains than test ,deca,dbol,and whatever else I'd bet. Diet and test as a 1st cycle ull b fine and can get plenty ripped 500mgs of test with attention to food and training will do u right. And stay there till u can't grow off that anymore then slowly go up. Read and learn as much as u can about what these things do and y.

You can't lose if you stick to their advice. I'm pretty sure my first cycle went great, and I took their advice.