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Cycle 3 need some help - Lil ROCK - 09-19-2025

Hey all,
Big fan here—I’ve been following your posts for a while.I never look at the dates so ive been reading your old posts for A while. I don’t usually post, but I could use some advice. I tried researching first, but with all the mixed opinions I figured I’d just ask directly.

Background & Cycle History
Cycle
Compounds
Dosage / Duration
Notes
1
Test Enanthate
8 weeks: 1ml/week (first 4), 2ml/week (last 4)
Felt incredible—like Superman. Should’ve paid more attention to diet. Focused more on avoiding injury than maximizing results I didn't fully trust my new found powers
2
Test Prop + Winstrol
Test Prop: 1.5ml EOD (often closer to 1.2–1.3ml)
Winny: 40mg ED, weeks 5–10
Preferred Prop over Enanthate. EOD pinning wasn’t an issue. Felt stronger, gained while leaning out, and kept more of my gains post-cycle. Minor sleep issues and a couple anxious nights—nothing major.

For both runs I used 25g 1.5” glute pins—comfortable, but pushing that much oil into one spot is slow and feels like it should be split.

Current Situation
Age: 52
Height/Weight: 5’9”, 204 lbs
Body Fat: ~15% (maybe higher)


I’ve trained on and off my whole life, up until about 10 years ago when life pulled me away from the gym. My first cycle was almost 3 years ago, and since then I’ve been building back consistently. Right now, I still fill out a t-shirt, though I have to stretch it a bit around the waist (if you know, you know). Diet is solid and I’ve been tightening it up for this next run. My focus isn’t cutting—the training and diet should handle that. The goal is to add size and keep progressing.

Gear on Hand
I ended up buying at different times (sales, cycle ideas changing), so now I’ve got a mixed stack:

Test Prop (main base, already planned)

Deca 200 / NPP 150 (impulse buy for a different cycle plan)

Winstrol tabs (sale purchase before deciding on this cycle setup)


My Questions
Is running all three (Test Prop + Deca/NPP + Winny) a bad idea?

If only two are worth stacking, which two—and at what dosages? taking into consideration I want to get over this plateau I'm on and make the jump to the next level.

Orders come quick now, so I can still grab anything else I might need without delaying my start.

At 54, my main concern with Deca is the obvious “Deca dick.” Haven’t had real side effects before, but after 50 SPOILER ALERT that one’s a serious concern.

I don’t want to use everything just because I bought it, but if two of these make a solid combo, I’d like to put them to use.

PCT
So far I’ve only run Clomixyl post-cycle (came with the orders). At what point should I step up to a stronger PCT or add on-cycle support? I’ve read about both, but the options and names get confusing.

Final Note
Thanks for taking the time to read. I wanted to include enough detail so you’ve got the info needed to give me a straight answer. I really respect the knowledge here and always research anything suggested.
I want to do a cycle log and contribute .

Big shout-out to Cornish Celt, Huge Tom, Eazy, and Dragon Slayer—love your posts.

PS If you are reading this, wondering if you should use gbnstore, don't hesitate I would not buy anywhere else. PM me if you have any questions. These guys are great. Gave me back what I had lost on the way

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Cycle 3 need some help - tj805 - 09-21-2025

Lil ROCK Wrote:Hey all,
Big fan here—I’ve been following your posts for a while.I never look at the dates so ive been reading your old posts for A while. I don’t usually post, but I could use some advice. I tried researching first, but with all the mixed opinions I figured I’d just ask directly.

Background & Cycle History
Cycle
Compounds
Dosage / Duration
Notes
1
Test Enanthate
8 weeks: 1ml/week (first 4), 2ml/week (last 4)
Felt incredible—like Superman. Should’ve paid more attention to diet. Focused more on avoiding injury than maximizing results I didn't fully trust my new found powers
2
Test Prop + Winstrol
Test Prop: 1.5ml EOD (often closer to 1.2–1.3ml)
Winny: 40mg ED, weeks 5–10
Preferred Prop over Enanthate. EOD pinning wasn’t an issue. Felt stronger, gained while leaning out, and kept more of my gains post-cycle. Minor sleep issues and a couple anxious nights—nothing major.

For both runs I used 25g 1.5” glute pins—comfortable, but pushing that much oil into one spot is slow and feels like it should be split.

Current Situation
Age: 52
Height/Weight: 5’9”, 204 lbs
Body Fat: ~15% (maybe higher)


I’ve trained on and off my whole life, up until about 10 years ago when life pulled me away from the gym. My first cycle was almost 3 years ago, and since then I’ve been building back consistently. Right now, I still fill out a t-shirt, though I have to stretch it a bit around the waist (if you know, you know). Diet is solid and I’ve been tightening it up for this next run. My focus isn’t cutting—the training and diet should handle that. The goal is to add size and keep progressing.

Gear on Hand
I ended up buying at different times (sales, cycle ideas changing), so now I’ve got a mixed stack:

Test Prop (main base, already planned)

Deca 200 / NPP 150 (impulse buy for a different cycle plan)

Winstrol tabs (sale purchase before deciding on this cycle setup)


My Questions
Is running all three (Test Prop + Deca/NPP + Winny) a bad idea?

If only two are worth stacking, which two—and at what dosages? taking into consideration I want to get over this plateau I'm on and make the jump to the next level.

Orders come quick now, so I can still grab anything else I might need without delaying my start.

At 54, my main concern with Deca is the obvious “Deca dick.” Haven’t had real side effects before, but after 50 SPOILER ALERT that one’s a serious concern.

I don’t want to use everything just because I bought it, but if two of these make a solid combo, I’d like to put them to use.

PCT
So far I’ve only run Clomixyl post-cycle (came with the orders). At what point should I step up to a stronger PCT or add on-cycle support? I’ve read about both, but the options and names get confusing.

Final Note
Thanks for taking the time to read. I wanted to include enough detail so you’ve got the info needed to give me a straight answer. I really respect the knowledge here and always research anything suggested.
I want to do a cycle log and contribute .

Big shout-out to Cornish Celt, Huge Tom, Eazy, and Dragon Slayer—love your posts.

PS If you are reading this, wondering if you should use gbnstore, don't hesitate I would not buy anywhere else. PM me if you have any questions. These guys are great. Gave me back what I had lost on the way

A fair amount to cover here, but all good stuff. Let me get back to where I can get back to you in some sort detail. I'll get back to you shortly with my two cents....

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Cycle 3 need some help - tj805 - 09-21-2025

Lil ROCK Wrote:Final Note
Thanks for taking the time to read. I wanted to include enough detail so you’ve got the info needed to give me a straight answer. I really respect the knowledge here and always research anything suggested.
I want to do a cycle log and contribute ...

Sorry for the delay in a response, brother. This forum is not as active as it used to be with regard to participation in contributing to the forums. We do have a lot of people, as you would expect, who are active in the forums, reading and doing their homework, though. If you post a question, it will almost always get answered... it just may take some time. Also, I used to inject with 25g 1.5” and, yeah, pushing any large amount of volume was a pain in this ass (pun partially intended). I switched to 23g 1” a long time ago.

Anyway, there is a lot to unpack here. I'll start off by saying, you're not alone in your preference for Test P over Test E. A lot of people like the shorter ester. Many feel like they're more dry on Test P and get faster results that are easier to maintain/retain, and with fewer complications. However, for your first cycle, you mentioned you only ran Test E for about 8 weeks. I'd strongly encourage you to give it another run in the future for a longer period. Eight weeks is an extremely short cycle for enanthate, and I'd suggest running it for something more like 12-16 weeks. You likely, unknowingly, sold yourself short on that cycle. You can still do frequent injections if you prefer them for more stable dosing.

Volume is irrelevant. Dosage is what matters. What I mean by this is, if your target goal is 400mg/wk, but you’re dosing 400/mg in one injection a week, your levels are drastically dropping off at the end of that week; even more so with a shorter ester. Opposed to, if you're doing 100/mg injections, four times a week, your levels will be more stable and consistent. This is also a good way to combat some of the potential side effects of running gear. I've done my share of ED or EOD injections. I'm now partial to longer ester compounds myself. I prefer to only inject twice a week. In your post, you posted "1.5ml EOD." This isn't always helpful. With the existence of underground labs (UGL) and exotic compounds, 1.5ml can vary in dosing. Although Test P is standard in 100mg/ml, I've seen it as high as 200mg/ml. So, instead of saying 1.5ml EOD, it would be more appropriate to say 150mg EOD. The NPP you have is a great example. NPP is often dosed in 100mg/ml as well, but in your case, the compound you have in possession is dosed at 150mg/ml.

Anyway, let's tackle your real question. If your goal is to bulk, the compounds you have on hand are primarily used for cutting (with the exception of the Deca). As I'm sure you're aware, the primary compound in Deca and NPP is Nandrolone. Nandrolone is often used as a bulking agent, but more so with regard to Deca. NPP, similar to Test P vs. Test E, also has the reputation of leaving a drier and more sustainable physique. It's also generally used for short durations, so packing on size over 8 to 10 weeks, vs. 12 to 16 weeks, would also be a major factor in how much size you can put on. What you're running exactly and how long is the REAL, big, determining factor. That, and diet.

I'm sure you've heard the expression, "you can't out-train a bad diet." Gear can be a cheat code, but for the most part, it is 100% true. Your diet can be clean, but if you're not eating enough, you're going to find it difficult to put on size. For example, let's say you're 200 lbs., for a bulk you may be trying to hit a caloric intake of 4400 at a 40/40/20 (protein/carbs/fat) macro scale with a protein intake of 2g per lb. of body weight. Whereas, in a cut cycle, you may pursue the same macros, but at a caloric intake of half that at 2200 with a protein intake of 1g per lb. of body weight. See what I’m saying? Diet doesn’t just consist of eating clean. In my opinion and experience, unless you're competing, I just pay attention to my lipid panel, calorie intake, protein intake, and food quality. My results will determine any adjustments needed. Regardless, diet is going to play a major role in your goals.

As far as your cycle is concerned, in your case, unless you're planning, or willing, to run the Test P for a long period of time (say, 16 weeks?) I'd just hang onto the deca for another cycle. The decanoate ester is a pretty long ester, and, again, you wouldn't be getting the most you could out of it by running it for an extremely short cycle that you'd normally run Test P for (i.e., 8 to 10 weeks). Although test p, winnie, and npp are often used for cutting cycles, that doesn't mean you can't put on some decent muscle. Quite the contrary. You're concern for Deca dick isn't unfounded either, and I respect your concern, but it can easily be mitigated. I'm not going to get super in-depth on it for the premise of this discussion, but deca dick is the result of testosterone suppression, a reduction in DHT (lucky for you, winnie is a DHT derivative), and elevated prolactin levels. Prolactin is a concern with pretty much all 19-nor compounds (especially nandrolone). This is why it is important to run compounds like nandrolone with a testosterone base, in your case specifically, test prop.

I assume you know how aromatization works. It is always wise to have an AI on hand when cycling, such as aromasin or arimidex. However, with 19-nors, it is also wise to keep cabergoline on hand, as well, due to the potential concerns with prolactin. The good thing is, I don't know many people who experience the same effects as much with NPP as they would with Deca. This is likely because of the shorter ester, and if you can't get the side effects under control, you can always discontinue use, and due to the short half-life, the issues usually resolve themselves quite quickly. Fortunately, both Test P & NPP tend to be well tolerated. In my case, though, to curb some of the potential effects, I like to run my nandrolone at a 2:1 ratio (testosterone:nandrolone). I also discontinue the nandrolone prior to the end of my cycle. For example, if I were running the compounds you're discussing, here is what I'd run if I didn't have much experience with either:

Test P 600mg/wk IM (split EOD) - Week 1-10
NPP 300mg/wk IM (split EOD) - Week 1-8
Winnie 50mg/ed PO (split doses, 25mg AM/25mg PM) - Week 4-10
*standard PCT starting x1/wk after discontinuing ALL short ester compounds.
**standard support supplements during and post cycle.

…curious btw, you kind of seem to reference the deca/npp as a single compound? Are you aware that these are two different compounds (i.e., nandrolone decanoate vs. nandrolone phenylpropionate)? Or, is this a BLEND of the two compounds? If so, that changes things…

As for plateaus go, I learned as I got older that my body didn’t work like it used to. Instead of just cycling muscle groups and hitting the gym almost every day, I now just hit the gym with a rest day in between. I just put in long sessions on the days I go (4 hours, usually). I have definitely noticed making some major strides since switching to this format. It is different for everyone, though. Gear quality and accurate dosing are extremely important, too. The good thing is, it sounds like you’re getting your stuff from GBN. You’re always safe and good to go with Tom & GBN. He's been in the game a long time. I mostly go domestic now (which has its own challenges), but if I go elsewhere, it is almost always going to be GBN.

Oh…. I forgot PCT. I don’t run PCT anymore. I went on TRT a long time ago. Now I just run my cycle, and then hop back on my prescribed dose afterwards. This is why labs are important. Blood draws pre, mid, and post cycle are ideal. However, nothing wrong with a clomid pct. I did clomid and nolvadex for a while, but in all honesty, my preference was HCG and nolvadex.

PCT:
HCG 500iu SQ M/W/F - Week 1-3
Nolvadex 20mg/ed PO (split doses; 10mg AM/10mg PM) – Week 1-3
*When you start your PCT, is dependent on the compounds/esters you ran.
**I also preferred to take 5mg of Cialis daily during my PCT.

…hope that helps a bit. I know I may have missed something. There was a bit to address. If you need any clarification or my poor grammar left you confused, please don’t hesitate to ask again. Have a good one, bro! Hope the cycle delivers the results you seek!

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