First Time Cycle Guidance/Advice
 

Hey all! I'm soon to be fifty and never used AAS. However I've used prescription Test due to low levels. I've been off of Test now for approximately four months and can tell. Doc put me back on Test. I was using Androgel and Axiron. He now put me on Cipionate @ 1mg every 12 days. My complete blood work up was all normal except Test was 313 and estradiol was I believe 22. I work out regularly with weights and some cardio three to five days a week. I've been trying to bulk up naturally for the past three years but have gotten very little results. I eat very clean. Protein intake is 1.5 per pound of body weight with carbs about the same. I'm 5'7, 183 lbs.

I'm planning on taking dbol, 10 mg tabs in addition to the Test I've been prescribed (Cipionate 1mg every 12 days). I have some Axiron, full bottle (30mg) and thought about using that as well. This is how my cycle of dbol (10mg tabs) looks like (comments, advice would greatly be appreciated):
Wk (5 days, off 2)
1 - 1 daily
2 - 2 daily
3 - 3 daily
4 - 4 daily
5 - 4 daily
6 - 3 daily
7 - 2 daily
8 - 1 daily
(will be taking milk thistle during and after cycle)
PCT 2 - 4 weeks Clomid

Comments, advice please. Thanks.

I would imagine the test-c is 1cc every 12 days (not 1mg every 12 days), with each 1cc being 200mg.

IMO, you will probably see some(?) strength and weight gains with the addition of the Dbol.

I also don't think the Milk Thistle will hurt you, but won't do you any good either...........again, JMHO.

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If you continue to inject the test-c after the 8 weeks of Dbol, how will you be post-cycle? Or, when you stop the Dbol after 8 weeks, will you no longer inject the Test-c?

Just offering my thoughts after reading your post.

First, thanks for your input. Very appreciative. My intentions are to continue the test c after my eight week cycle due to having low T begin with. I do expect when I do my PCT with Clomid, it will help well in this area knowing it is used sometimes to treat men with low T in place of Test therapy. Would it be better to stop Test c when I complete my cycle with that very thought of the benefits of Clomid to save the Test c for another future cycle of AAS? That would make sense. ?? My recent blood test showed possible elevated estradiol (22 I believe). I remember there was something I read on here that was suggested to take during a dbol cycle to help keep estradiol in check. Don't remember. Any ideas?? Thanks.

If you’re hypogonadal, your Dr. put you on the test for that reason. If it were me, I’d follow the Dr.s advice and stay with the Test-c.
Can’t offer any advice there, sorry.

Stay on the test, definitely 100%. I am in the same boat and you need to stay on it. Basically the reason people cycle on and off is to get the body back to producing test on its own. Since yours (and mine) does not, if you come off the test you will crash. Hard.

Some people go through PCT and some 'cruise' between cycles with test or EQ or something along those lines. Since your test level won't get back to normal anyway just stay on the test per doctor's orders and run your cycles that way. If you do plan on low level Dbol for 8 weeks I would just go 8 weeks on with the Dbol, see how you like it and how your body tolerates it, then adjust (or come back here for more advice) accordingly.

Basically the test between cycles is going to help get those est levels back down which is the only real effect you need to worry about at this point.

Thanks bud. How does my cycle look?

If it were me I would cut out those first 2 weeks at 10-20 mg a day. Just kind of a waste of money IMO. Since you haven't ever done it before I might go 1 a days for 3 days, 2 a day for 4 days, then go to 3 a day. You want to check and see how it's tolerated by your body but it would be the equivalent of starting on 50 mg of test a week. You aren't going to see any gains, or at least very minimal and Dbol gets on you quick. Normally within 2 weeks every vein from my fingers to my abs are standing out and my strength goes through the roof @30 mg. Of course Dbol is more liver toxic than most injectables so you want to get on and get off with the best possible gains. It's just not meant to be a long term use kind of drug.

If you feel more comfortable with that you won't be hurting anything.

hey brother
 

truthfully bro ive been on trt for about two years. i cycle hard so i usually only cruise for a month or two in between blast or ( cycles ). my advice to you is always at least take the dose your doctor prescribed... there is reason why they say trt is for life because when our hpta system shuts down and does not come back normally or when we have a natural low test level our bodys are not producing the hormones we need to have a good quality of life so we are replacing them by taken our trt dose. in my opinion there is never a need for clomid as long as you are on a trt test dose. to my knowledge clomid is helpful and productive in helping our hpta system to kick back on when we come off of a normal cycle and do not have previous test level issues. i hate clomid bro it makes me feel like crap but that is just my opinion on it.

as for your dbol cycle..... it is all wrong bro and i mean that in the nicest way. i am not throwing shots at all i just believe that being straight forward with someone helps them to get and stay on track. as was stated before dbol is more of a get on get big get done type of compound. it is liver toxic and i would recomend some liv 52 well on it. i would also recomend that you stick to a 6 week cycle assuming that this is your first time using dbol i would take 30mg a day the first week and baring any sides bump it up to 40mg a day for five days then bump up to 50mg a day for the rest of the cycle. everyone is differant so just listen to your body and adjust as needed. also make sure to drink at least a gallon of water a day me i drink two a day. dbol will put on some size but in my experience it is a high percent of water weight.

also you may want to look into a very mild ai to run with this cycle dbol can be a prick on your estro. be careful to pay attention to your estro because in my experience if you take just the right dose of a ai with dbol you will get some good gains but you take to much and it will effect how well the dbol works.

lastly if it were me and i were looking for a oral to run a simple cycle with well on only my trt dose it would be anavar all the way. the stuff is way less toxic and depending on your stats it can produce amazing gains. nice lean vascular gains and some solid strength as well but in the end diet and training are the key to success.

well good luck brother and if you ever need help in the future i will be here just shoot me a pm and either me or my partner will be glad to help in any way we can.

sincerely
valhallaking ( odin )

one more thing
 

also make sure you split ur daily dose up to keep ur levels more stable. i always dose am pm split.