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UBAD2 03-04-2016 11:26 PM

Had blood work done, interesting results !
 
I went to see my doctor about a week ago for a check up to monitor my ulcerative colitis condition. For this reason, he ordered up a series of various blood work tests to be done. Today, I received a phone call from my doctor since blood work results came to his office. I found the results very interesting. I'm about to generalise now for the test results.
Currently I'm on Test E 4cc total per week. Also taking 8 TBOL pills per day, everyday.
My red blood cell count is up but doctor wasn't concerned about this.
My liver and kidneys are in perfect condition. No issues at all!
Sugar level is good range.
My bad cholesterol is up a little bit and my good cholesterol is down a little bit. I suspect it's from the gear. I never had any cholesterol issues in my life. He gave me advise on what I should do to try to correct this issue.
Then he addresses my Testosterone level. He said it was in the 1500 plus range !!!
He said normal testosterone range should be in the area of 500 to 700 range for Testosterone. He said he never saw anything like this in his life. My doctor then pressed me by questioning me if I'm taking anything. I don't know if he believed me but I told him I bought a product from GNC vitamin store, a supplement to increase free testosterone in the male body. With scepticism he told me just to be careful with whatever I'm doing. So, just by coincidence I discovered the potency and the authenticity of GBN gear is 100% legitimate. I always knew this but as fate has it the blood work tests that I had done confirmed what I always knew for myself, that GBN is the real deal!

stillgoingstron 03-05-2016 05:36 AM



Isn't it interesting that although your blood results show everything normal the doc still felt it necessary to warn you to be careful!

It's just deeply ingrained that steroid use MUST be bad and therefore to be avoided. Even though clearly it ISN'T bad!

Oh, and slowly but surely the medical world will stop banging on about cholesterol being bad. The levels change as a result of whatever is happening to the body. It's a repair mechanism. It's not the cause of anything.


Armstrong 03-05-2016 07:39 AM

AAS can have deleterious effects on blood cholesterol levels, this leads to a decrease in HDL (good) cholesterol and increase in LDL (bad) cholesterol, this effects everyone differently, some have it worst then others.

stillgoingstron 03-05-2016 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Armstrong (Post 44689)
AAS can have deleterious effects on blood cholesterol levels, this leads to a decrease in HDL (good) cholesterol and increase in LDL (bad) cholesterol, this effects everyone differently, some have it worst then others.


This is obviously a well established fact, however, a good diet (a natural, low sugar, low flour, fat rich diet) should help out.

Being in good overall health will mitigate most of the problems associated with AAS use.

And look after your liver and kidneys. They are vital to good health.


new-Jedi 03-06-2016 08:19 AM

Why is this number so low
 
What am I missing, every source I can find says your numbers should be WAY higher. Did you just start? Was the 1500 the max the lab would detect? The doctor could have seen it was off the charts?

Think about this.

Dude, the average adult male is 270-1,070 (ng/dL)

That sounds way too low for how much gear you're on. 1g of test e per week, and Tbol.

I'm told by quite a few sources 600mg per week should bring your levels to almost double what they are. You're on 1000mg, plus Tbol.

Ive seen some say they get a factor of ten, which is 500mg = 5000 ng/dL.

There are some great sources for this online.

UBAD2 03-06-2016 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by new-Jedi (Post 44691)
What am I missing, every source I can find says your numbers should be WAY higher. Did you just start? Was the 1500 the max the lab would detect? The doctor could have seen it was off the charts?

Think about this.

Dude, the average adult male is 270-1,070 (ng/dL)

That sounds way too low for how much gear you're on. 1g of test e per week, and Tbol.

I'm told by quite a few sources 600mg per week should bring your levels to almost double what they are. You're on 1000mg, plus Tbol.

Ive seen some say they get a factor of ten, which is 500mg = 5000 ng/dL.

There are some great sources for this online.

Yes, just recently started because I had to get my colitis under control first. Look up colitis. It a very difficult condition to deal with.

new-Jedi 03-07-2016 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by UBAD2 (Post 44694)
Yes, just recently started because I had to get my colitis under control first. Look up colitis. It a very difficult condition to deal with.


Oh, ok. It takes some time to build up. Because that test number should be a lot higher. I do know some test stop at 1500, which would explain it too.

I read one guy blood was 3500 plus off of 750mg per week. At 1g and Tbol, I imagine your test should be pretty high.

UBAD2 03-07-2016 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by new-Jedi (Post 44696)
Oh, ok. It takes some time to build up. Because that test number should be a lot higher. I do know some test stop at 1500, which would explain it too.

I read one guy blood was 3500 plus off of 750mg per week. At 1g and Tbol, I imagine your test should be pretty high.

Mr Jedi ...
Another very important variable is the person's age. I'm in my mid to late 40's. I'm not a young dude! When I wasn't on gear the doctor did Testosterone test because I told him I felt tired. At that time my Test blood work back back in the range of 560. I asked him if its low and he said it's in the normal acceptable range. So now my Testosterone is 1500 plus and the doctor freaked out on the change. He's not stupid he knows I'm taking something.

new-Jedi 03-07-2016 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by UBAD2 (Post 44697)
Mr Jedi ...
Another very important variable is the person's age. I'm in my mid to late 40's. I'm not a young dude! When I wasn't on gear the doctor did Testosterone test because I told him I felt tired. At that time my Test blood work back back in the range of 560. I asked him if its low and he said it's in the normal acceptable range. So now my Testosterone is 1500 plus and the doctor freaked out on the change. He's not stupid he knows I'm taking something.

Oh I get that. 1500 is high. I'm just saying, on the level of gear you are doing, it's gonna get a lot higher. Or it should.

Let's be sure I understand what you're doing.

You said you were doing 4cc right? Is that every week then? If not, then my numbers are wrong.

But assuming you are, and it's 250mg per cc/ml, that's a whole gram of test e every week. Plus Tbol. I'll be honest, that's a lot of test. My first cycle I did half that, and my second I did half and some tren.

1000mg of test e every week should bring your test levels up real high.

That is a great deal of unnatural testosterone. Remember, trt dose is much lower.

However, this only happens after it builds up.

new-Jedi 03-07-2016 05:41 AM

Here is some research I found
 
Maybe someone can correct me if I'm reading this wrong, but I'm a fairly intelligent person. I don't think I missing something here.

If normal is 500-700, then 1500 doesn't seem all that high. A 19 year old male can have around 1000 without AAS.

So a study I read used these numbers for a baselined 7 days after the single injection. So tested after one pin. This means this was the lowest numbers they should expect a week after they pin. (Granted other factors at play, but I'm not sure it should vary too far.)

I posted a link to the study below at the bottom.

25mg of test a week- T level was 253ng/dl
50mg of test a week- T level was 306ng/dl
125mg of test a week- T level was 542ng/dl
300mg of test a week- T level was 1,345ng/dl
600mg of test a week- lT level was 2,370 ng/dl

Now from my research, see how 600mg a week brought the test subject up to almost 1000 more than what the doctor claimed you had.

However, I asked a Dr. on another forum what the general rule is, and he said general rule of thumb is this: 200 mg - 700 mg per week, should give you about a factor of ten.

So, the high range for a 500 mg per week is 5000 ng/dl.

That's higher than the above study showed. So whatever. But everything I can find tells me your test levels should go really higher. I'm getting my blood work done, so I'll soon know what mine is and I'll post them.

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men | Endocrinology and Metabolism

UBAD2 03-07-2016 10:17 AM

I guess I appreciate your information but ....
 
We are all considered to be, the end user. So as an end user it pretty obvious I'm simply telling the truth with my blood work post here and the numbers the doctors told me. That being said, your inplication is that the juice and or the pills are weak and not up to par. This is the only way one would intreperate your information replies. I'll contact my doctor office to ask him about my Test numbers again but I'm almost certain he said it was in the high 1500 range.

andyebs 03-07-2016 11:01 AM

could you ask for exact level

is it possible the chart he used was only upto 1500 and all can say was above that level

UBAD2 03-07-2016 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by andyebs (Post 44710)
could you ask for exact level

is it possible the chart he used was only upto 1500 and all can say was above that level

What exactly should I say so there is no confusion .

stillgoingstron 03-08-2016 05:42 AM


Bit awkward. It's like saying to the doc "I've been using loads of steroids and i just want to know they're GTG! Can you double check for me?"


UBAD2 03-08-2016 10:21 AM

I need to choose my words right .....
 
Out of all the variables I'm clear ly focusing on matters of juice! He will know I'm doing juice once I start probing specifically on my Testosterone count number. So what exactly should I say to make it seem natural to ask about the Test level score.

new-Jedi 03-08-2016 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by UBAD2 (Post 44719)
Out of all the variables I'm clear ly focusing on matters of juice! He will know I'm doing juice once I start probing specifically on my Testosterone count number. So what exactly should I say to make it seem natural to ask about the Test level score.

Hmm, that's a good question. Other than coming clean, I'm not sure you can. You can say, hey I'm thinking about that 1500 test result, is that as high as the test goes, or could it be higher.

Then say something like, my friend gave me something he said was natural, but I'm worried it isn't.

But if I were him, I'd see right through it.

Also, if your from the states, you can go to private lab and leave your doc out of it.

This one is big with gear user here in U.S.

http://www.privatemdlabs.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyebs (Post 44710)
could you ask for exact level

is it possible the chart he used was only upto 1500 and all can say was above that level

I suspect that's the case. Because he'd know if he wasn't getting a decent outcome from his gear.

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Originally Posted by stillgoingstron (Post 44717)

Bit awkward. It's like saying to the doc "I've been using loads of steroids and i just want to know they're GTG! Can you double check for me?"


Lol! This comment made my day

nonstopmachine 03-13-2016 03:31 AM

Many labs read only till 1500. Anything higher will read @ 1500. Thought you guys knew that.

UBAD2 03-13-2016 04:24 AM

Thank you
 
I've been on the fence not knowing if I should contact my doctor's office. I do not wish to put the spotlight on myself regarding testosterone numbers being off the charts. Unless somehow the opportunity presents itself I do not think I will inquire about my testosterone results any further because I do not wish for my doctor to know what he already suspects.

stillgoingstron 03-13-2016 08:56 AM


I wouldn't. What difference will it make to your life?
I'd let your doctor make the next move if he feels that way inclined and i doubt he will.

UBAD2 03-13-2016 09:13 AM

I agree !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stillgoingstron (Post 44757)

I wouldn't. What difference will it make to your life?
I'd let your doctor make the next move if he feels that way inclined and i doubt he will.

Thanks ! I was thinking the same.

new-Jedi 03-13-2016 09:24 AM

Yea, if your seeing results and don't care to know.

Like I said, private labs are a option too.

I'm about to get mine done just as a caution.


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