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Test Cyp + ortrexyl (oral tren)+ Thyroxyl (T3)
First off I'm 6'4 275lb age 27. Approx 6th cycle, done most of mine in earlyer years when I was playing college football. I'm now playing semi pro and want the raw power I had in college! My main experience is with test E and deca. So other than the test and provimed this is a new level of gear for me.
Main reason for this post is to give my insight and progress of my experience on the gear I have. I'll report sides pros con ect. So anyone on wondering how they made a person feel and train can have some background. I have kalpa pharmaceutical - Test Cyp, ortrexyl (oral tren), and thyroxyl (t3). Balkan pharm I have provimed I have -clomid, novaxyl, and aromaxyl for pct and other "just incases" I'm currently on my second week. -- Test Cyp 750 weekly --- ortrexyl 750 mcg daily ( I was at 500mcg last week but felt very little and decided to bump it an extra 250. honestly felt the power of tren yesterday day after adding the extra!) ---thyroxyl 750 mcg daily( once again I ran more to feel it!) I start at the recommended dose and moved up just enough to tell I increased. Did this so I can tell how at a lower "recommended dose" will effect me. I gave it a week to allow the gear to hit my system then decided to push it some more. Provimed 100mg daily I'm sure several people are wondering why t3 and provimed? T3 because I want to loose a little extra fat, and tren suppresses the hormone production. Provimed because I have always used it in college and it's what I know. Main honest purpose I use it is to keep testicles from shrinking so much and to help keep sex drive mega High! Which test does the libido on its own but this item keeps your natural test flowing. But this gear also gives a nice firmNess to your structure as well. *Sides* since I have upped the dose on t3 and the OT I can tell my body temp is higher as I sweat a little more through the day, and at night when my alarm goes off for my midnight meal I'm sweating. Not as bad as I have heard from others. Agression is up a little bit but is totally controlAble. I shit all the time not sure if it's the t3 or the tren but my track is always on the move and not in a oh fuck this hurts but a nice easy flow. I do get spaced out time to time through the day as well. But so far nothing major Now for what everyone who has read this far is wanting to know. And yes OT is the fucking bomb!!! I did back and bis yesterday and holly shit I was unstoppable in the gym! I would do a 3 set in preacher curles move to a back work oUT and come back to the curls and could sling more weight Not less! I honestly didn't get tired in the gym and only left because my girl had 3 chicken breast waiting on me after 1 and half hour in the gym. My arms are already tighter and my shoulder which are my favorite group are much broader! And my viens in my for arms are already holding a solid pump while in rest! I will be getting my blood work done next week and will post my results for test, estrogen , liver and blood count. |
Always good to read a log. Will be following with interest. Just one query. While l accept that proviron on its own 'might' not suppress your natural testosterone production I don't see that it will stop the test and the tren doing exactly that! If anyone else knows better l stand to be corrected. |
I think k you may have miss understood the provimed is to keep your natural test from being supressed. It help to keep up natural test productions.
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Proviron when taken in-conjunction with test actually increases the effects of the test which is a bonus!
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I think I must be misunderstanding. Test and tren will at some point stop your natural test production. That to my knowledge is unavoidable. The bit l must be misunderstanding is which natural test production (assuming the test and tren will stop it) will the proviron keep going. I'm not having a dig, honestly. If you've got a way of keeping my natural test flowing while I take test and tren then I'm very interested. It's just that nothing I've ever read suggests that it's possible. I'm aware that adding proviron means more free test available and therefore adds to tests effects. |
So I was obviously miss informed after some research so if you could explain the difference in free flowing vs not free test?
I have just always felt I don't have shrinkage while using it |
I’m no expert, so this is just my understanding . . . Proviron binds extremely well to SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin), the hormone responsible for reducing free testosterone circulating in the body. Better than most other AAS, it seems. This is good because testosterone bound to SHBG is not 'free testosterone'. It's been taken out of circulation and utilized and is therefore not available for muscle building purposes. Proviron added to a test cycle will bind to and saturate the SHBG, effectively preventing the SHBG from stealing this testosterone, which in turn increases the amount of 'free' testosterone available for muscle building, without merely adding more testosterone. There will be a limit to how much testosterone you can add before you saturate your receptors anyway. Proviron also reduces the ability of estrogen to bind to estrogen receptors, therefore preventing problems caused by estrogen build up, such as gyno and water retention. This beneficial anti estrogen effect seems to have been superseded by the use of anti estrogens such as Aromasin and arimidex etc. To get back to my point about natural test production . . . The exogenous use of testosterone or tren or whatever other AAS you use is going to halt your own endogenous natural test production, whether gradually or immediately. I understand that using proviron on its own might not halt natural test production to the same extent, but I don’t see how adding it can do anything to prevent this inevitable cessation caused by using exogenous test or tren from happening. Proviron just doesn’t have the mechanism to do that. Sorry, mate, I wasn’t trying to make a big issue of it. In a way I was half hoping someone knew a way to keep natural test production going while on AAS that I didn’t know about. |
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Besides I was mistake and nothing wrong with being wrong. But on anothere note, from what I'm seeing there isn't anything wrong with the combination of drugs that I'm mixing and in fact play well off one another. My girl works in the medical field and once I explained why I'm doing each drug as I am and the purpose they serve it was like an atomic bomb went off in her brain cause she never thought of using all the things together like we do. Like t3 due to tren supressing the hormone and the fact that t3 helps protein synthesis. the science behind it all and the right attitude will drive it all! |
Exactly. I've learned loads from this forum and if I don't know something I ask. Your cycle looks good to me. My cycles are and will continue to be low test and reasonable tren for now on. Get great results. I personally take 1 caber EW when running the tren and ¼ tab ED Aromasin throughout my cycle to avoid the raised prolactin levels that tren can cause and to keep estrogen levels low. Works well for me. Though I understand why you'd use T3 for the same effect. I can also see the benefit of T3 in a cycle, though I'm too worried about screwing my thyroid forever to do the same. Be interesting to see how you feel about pinning so much when you reach the end of your cycle. To be honest, it does me in eventually. Good luck. I'm sure you'll be more than pleased with the results. |
So today one of the sides I really don't understand, came up on me and it's the drowsiness from the oral tren? How and why does it make you drowsy through the day and I'm on t3 plenty of sleep too. But when I hit the gym all hell breaks loose?
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I've run tren A 3 times now at either 75mg or lately 100mg EOD for 4 weeks max every time. Main reason is that after 4 weeks of hardly sleeping I feel fucked. Like you my workouts are out of this world, but that's not enough to put up with feeling so tired. Are you sleeping enough? Or maybe just training too hard to recover properly, even though you are using AAS? Could either of these be the problem? If anyone knows a way to overcome this fatigue I'd love to know! |
I drank a monster and it picked me back up regretfully for the nasty carbs and worthless calories. But yeah man I'm getting average 6 -8 a night I feel worse if I get more than 7 usually though. I'm going to take caffeine pill tomorrow that way I don't take in calories / carbs with drinks.
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Good old monster and caffeine :D Great for pre workout, but doesn't stop the day long fatigue, sadly. Not for me anyway. |
So would you really think k that working out so hard would cause this feeling though?
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Yes I do. I'm not saying it's definitely the cause. I don't know how hard you are actually working out, but if you have massively upped it as a result of the test and the tren and if you are sleeping enough, then it's very likely you are overtraining. It's so tempting when you are suddenly seeing these fantastic results to just keep going, but in my experience you do need to take a step back every now and then. I don't mean a few weeks off. Just an extra day or so. Being half my age your capacity for training will be a lot more than mine, but my experience over the years has definitely led me to believe that it's a fine line between overtraining and optimal training. But don't just take my word for it. Try it and see what you think. |
Gonna take your advice and rest tonight. I had a walk through with football, but wed is usually my leg day. And I sprain Last saturday during the game so I need that to heal as well.
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Be interested to see how you get on. It's difficult to force yourself to take an extra day or two off sometimes - even a week occasionally - but I've always benefitted from doing so. I've been using AAS for two years now and I don't see any evidence (personal experience or otherwise) to suggest they can negate the need for sufficient rest, especially as they help you workout even harder! |
I feel a little better today still slugging along though.
even though I know I needed the rest I feel worthless for nit working out haha. My vascular is nice toDay though is looking nice in my for arms I worked back and bis Monday and will do chest tris and bis today. |
Laying in bed and can't sleep!
I would say my mood ls off today too I feel very on edge, controlable but I'm testy. I had a good work out nit as focused as the others this week Though. I'm thinking maybe to switch my work out to the am so I'll have energy through the day and hopefully sleep at night. |
Good luck with sleeping :) |
Week 3 started! Towards the end of last week I could tell my attitude was changing and I was getting more on edge about things. I did have a game this past weekend and I dominated my anger mixed with the test and tren pump was supreme.
Got up this morning at 4 and did some cardio mile running with .5 mile max incline jog. Then I hit a light back and bi lift. I got 7 hours of sleep last night bUT I am a little tires guess that comes from working out at 430Am. I have seen mass building in my shoulders primarily and even though the scales done say weight loss I can see muscle growth with fat loss. Other wise I feel great, I did start popping a clomid every 3 days. |
Ok gents, just an up date. I've lost 15lb my shirts arfitti g tighter my tummy is toning up and I do cardio 2-3 times a week. I do sprints and stairs no long distances and I ride the bike. I took two weeks off the OT and my liver lv are perfect. Im about to start up again on it 1mg ed. For two weeks.
If you have any questions please feel free to ask. |
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