Next cycle..sust/deca/dbol
 

Hi every one i am michel..

Stats...Age 29
height..6 ft
cycles..3 cycles under by belt


i need suggestion about my next cycle sustanon,dec,and dbol.....i already finished three cycles in last three years.i am lifting weights from last ten years.


first cycle dbol only,second cycle test only for 8 weeks,3rd cycle test 500mg and deca 200mg per week for 12 weeks...now i am planning to do sust,deca and dbol cycle..my cycle look like this

why because i am planning to compete in national shows


sust 750mg per week 16 weeks

deca 400mg per week 14 weeks

dbol 40mg per day for 6 weeks in two doses

Armidex 0.5mg weekly 3 times from starting to the end...

after one week hcg 5000iu's per shot weekly once for three weeks..



pct start after three weeks of sustanon inj,,

week 1 clomid 100mg & nolva 40mg

week 2 clomid 100mg & nolva 40mg

week 3 clomid 50mg & nolva 20mg

so please i am requesting each and everyone who is experience with all this roids and this type of cycles .suggest me if i am doing any mistake with my next cycle..or if i want to do any changes in my cycles please tell me.....Thank you

5000iu of HCG a week? I think you have one too many zeros in there.

what happen brother is it right or wrong tell me. thank you

Personally id bang 1000 sust and 600 deca. Also 50mg of dbol is the way to go. Remember up the dose lift the most ;).

1000 sust and 600 deca is it right for me to use in this cycle..y bcause i read in so many forums everyone tells up the doses step by step slowly..brother one more thing i little confuse between sust and test e,which is the perfect cycle...please give me a suggestions.....thank you

i ma still waiting for good suggestion from experience users and competitors....d60hanna brother suggested me above cycle is it right to that kind of sust and deca in my next cycle..is it right


but i am planning to do like this

sust 750mg per week 16 weeks

deca 400mg per week 14 weeks

dbol 40mg per day for 6 weeks in two doses

Armidex 0.5mg weekly 3 times from starting to the end...

after one week hcg 1000 IU;s weekly three times.



sust every other day mon,wed and friday 250mg each shot

deca 200mg mon with sust and friday 200mg with sust same syringe

what i mentioned above is it the right way to the cycle or not?


please give your suggestions on my cycle...all suggestion are accepted because i am planning to do a perfect cycle with your experience suggetions...thank you

I would not do over 500iu of HCG in one pin. Why are you taking so much HCG? 500 iu a week should work just fine.

Hello....you asked why so much hcg in pin? why because my drug supplier was suggested me to do like 5000 hdc in one pin for total week its not a problem..that's why i am planned to do like that.but now i am planning to change the hcg dose....and brother what about my cycle planning still i am waiting for the suggestions....thank you

The rest of your cycle is good. I took 60mg of dbol 50mg is about what most use. Just remember DECA ends two weeks before sus

5000iu of HCG can do real damage. Do a little research on the the max dose per pin on HCG. I would link it but its on a competitors board. Essentially it can cause permanent testicular atrophy and nobody wants that.

Somebody correct me if I am wrong but I always heard that pinning over 500iu per day was a no go.

cycle looks ok
cant comment on hgc but would lisen to other

ive always under impression no need for hgc during cycle unless really need to use it

thank you very very much for yours helpful suggestions...every one is telling that 500 hcg is the safe for a day...ok i will do that much only in next cycle...but what i am asking is which is the best cycle for mass gain.


test/deca/dbol or sust/deca/dbol.....suggestions on my questiion...thank you very much for all

Sus DECA dbol will get you mass but so will test instead of sus.
The big thing is volume of food

thank you crew brother....but why test instead of sust....and bro i want to know the difference between this two cycles? sust/deca/dbol with this cycle you said volume of food...i am little confused about this..... please explain me...thank you

friends i have a small question about my cycle...please give ma suggestion...my cycle length is 16 weeks sust or test and 14 weeks deca...my question deca till 14 weeks is it right or i should stop the deca at week 12....why because i was seen in some forums few people said just run the deca till 14 weeks then you will get good results...few people was said deca 14 weeks it will hurts with deca dick....14 weeks deca is a safe?..........please all experts and this type of cycles users i need yours helpful suggestions....thank youuuuu

Steroids increase your protein intake and it let's your muscles use more food for fuel. So more food more muscle.

The only difference between sus and test is sus Has short and long acting test but each is a lower mg. Just using 1 type of test you can get a more controled ending but they both can have the same result.

Stop the DECA 2 weeks prior to your test. It all has to do with the length of time it stays in your system. This will make PCT time more accurate. You PCT when its all out

once again thank you very much crew bro....now i am clear about sust and test..now my steroid looks like this brother


Test e 600mg to 750mg for 16 weeks
Deca 400mg for 14 weeks
D-bol 50mg for first 6 weeks

what is the best and perfect pct for this cycle...please give me a suggestions...thank you all

You can go 8 weeks on dbol if you wish

brother are you serious about dbol..because what i learned from others forum members,and experts they said if you wanna do orals just do 6 weeks only...am i right or wrong? suppose i use for 8 weeks is it safe brother?.....thank you v

A lot of people go 8 weeks on dbol
If your new to this maybe 6 weeks is good. If your so worried about safety on your body why are you getting involved in this. We all know of the risks and what happens if you abuse them. But you seem freaked out about your health.
Shit I do the Arnold dbol way and every other cycle I eat all 50mgs before I go to the gym. The other cycles I break it up

hello brother....i want to know one thing how many times you done arnold dbol? what are the gains from that cycle? once i got the dbol suggestion from that next minute i am feeling good about 8 weeks dbol....reallyyy...one more question bro from weeek one 50mg dbol?or i should pyramid the doses up to 50mg...thank you

I have an iron stomach and I don't advise any one with out experience to eat all that at once. It does make you an animal in the gym.
Many years ago I was told to start at 60 a day and drop down until I was at 10.
Now I start at 50 and end in 50.
I liked my gains but I also ran sus and deca for one cycle then switch out deca with boldanon I may switch sus with test e because I have a bunch of it.

ok brother thank you once again....now i am planning in my next cycle 50 mg dbol for first 6 weeks....and i want to add one more thing in this cycle


cycle looks like this


dbol 50mg daily for fitst six weeks

test e 750mg 16 weeks

deca 400mg 14 weeks

winstrol 50 mg 11-16 weeks

armidex .5mg eod from starting to end of the cycle

brother i did a small change in cycle.. why because end of the cycle
i am planning to cut the extra fat from my body....thank you all

Save your winni for your next cycle. You have a bulking cycle now.
Try some test some boldonon and winni for cutting some fat.

ok brother no winnie in my next cycle..but few people tells if we use winni end of the cycle winni will reduce the excess water from body it is right? or wrong?

still small question on deca it is 12 weeks or 14 weeks....thank you once again

End deca 2 weeks before end of your test

now i am understood....brother crew really you are very very patients on my each question, for that thank you very much..... brother can you suggest me what is the perfect pct for this kind of cycle...because few people said if run deca for 14 weeks results are very good but as well as its very hard to come back to natural after 14 weeks deca use so for this we should do a long pct..is it right or wrong?.......thank you very very much

I'd pct with clomid and nolvadex
And if you can afford hcg I'd do that to.

ya brother exactly...but i like to add clomid and hcg in my pct because i want recover from all sides...but brother i want ask one thing actually nolva for gyno right that"s why i like to use clomid and hcg for pct cycle...day by day i am getting intrest on 8 weeks dbol use is it safe of not?.....thank you bro

8 weeks on D-bol is what most have told me for mass. Now androl is a different story 4-6 weeks. Preferably 4.
As long as you come off the gear and don't stay on year around you will be safe. Bust out a clean strict diet and you won't have to worry about bloat water and fat

ok ok this time i will 6 weeks dbol 50mg but next i will try to do the 8 weeks....from this coming week i am doing clean diet to reduce some body fat then i will do this cycle....and brother if you have any about ECA stack please tell me how to use it properly for fat reduce?really its work for fat reduce?other wise tell me any good beginner cutting cycle because i am never done cutting cycle...

brother what is yours cutting cycle??...thank you

Hello all please give me a suggestions...thank you all

How often are you cycling, it appears you have planned 2 or 3 cycles via this thread. Remember to take everything in moderation, too much too fast and you will lose it all.

As for your cycles they look fine for bulking.

I suggest doing some more reading on ECA as some people swear by it others swear its a waste of time. I think it really comes down to how your body reacts to it.

There are a ton of ways to cut up, Clen, T3/4, Tren, Winny, etc. Do some reading on them and see which one might work for you. Everyone is different and what may shed the pounds off me might do nothing for you.

thanks for the reply..actually i am not planning to do a two cycles from this thread what i mean is just i want to know the effects and usage of ECA stack thats it my friend..... so yours choice is for cut up, Clen, T3/4, Tren, Winny, etc.today i am confident about this products more than ECA stack because of you....so i want to know about each and every thing.....thank you very much

suggestion pleaseeeee

There are a ton of stickies here on HM as well as various other boards out there. I suggest reading as much as you can on all of these topics before going any further. These are not safe things your using here and you can die if you do not educate yourself.

If you have specific questions on something I am sure there are plenty of people here that can and will answer.

ECA = Ephedrine (20-30mgs depending on the mood of your source)
Caffeine (200mg because this is the amount companies sell it)
Aspirin (any amount- usually 300mg)

the theoretical ratio is E:C:A=1:10:4

the E and C work TOGETHER to promote weight-loss, boost energy and enhance athletic performance.. Asp is there just to prolong the effects created by the other two ingredients. Another thing worth noting is that ECA has some anti-catabolic properties, which means that we can retain some muscle even while cutting.

To give you an idea, eph is a central nervous system stimulant and, therefore, works the same way as clenbuterol. However, eph increases your metabolism by about 3% whereas clen increases your metabolism by 5-10%.

imo, ECA works best when cycled with clen. or else if u wanna take the ECA on its own, do so for around 8 weeks straight, then take 3-4 weeks off.

You don’t really need the aspirin. The E+C can do the fatburn. (aspirin can be pretty nasty to the intestines) so the asp is down to the individual.

You need to take the ECA 3 times a day. For first-timers, the best thing you must do is start with one morning dose for the first 3/4 days to get used to the eph, and then gradually build up to 3 doses a day. Last dose before 5pm, because the caffeine will keep you awake. (To give u an idea, 200mg of caff = 3 strong espressos). As a first timer, you will get a wired feeling and some shaky hands.. this is normal, and it gradually goes away.
Before u start taking ECA, make sure you don’t have any heart problems, or high blood pressure.


HERBAL VERSIONS:
If you make your own stack,you can use pure ephedrine pills, and for those who prefer to buy commercial stacks, some of these contain the herbal version of ephedrine. This is called Ma huang.
Ma huang is made up of 6 to 8% ephedrine.

For example- MaHuang 335mg(6% ephedrine)is the equivalent of 20mg pure ephedrine. As such, one version isn’t "stronger than the other" as long as the quantities are respected. The only snag with herbal versions is that we don’t know what the other 90% of the herb is doing to out body!

Another name u may come across is White Willow Bark (15% salicin): and this stands for ASPIRIN.

Another is Guarana Extract (22% caffeine): thus 910mg of guarana is equivalent of 200mg caffeine.

If you are taking the herbal version, just pull out the calculator and do your own maths to make sure the quantities are the same as the ones i put in my first post.

Eph is illegal in the UK, however the Mahuang is legal - usually sold by the local chinese herbalist, but it’s no good for us in the form they sell it in (looks like pines off a christmas tree)

You can buy it from Boots in the form of Do Do Chesteze. Chesteze helps when you have a tight chest so u can tell the vendor that your chest isn’t too good. One chesteze contins 18.3mg ephedrine. it also contains theophylline. Some people react to theophylline so if you are using chesteze, always start at a low dose for the first 3 days to see how you will react.

Caffeine can be bought in a chemists or tesco etc in the form of ProPlus. (each proplus pill contains 50mg caffeine)


Side Effects:

anxiety, shaking,increased sweating, lightheadedness, dizziness, light headache, gastrointestinal distress, insomnia, irregular heartbeat, increased heart rate, heart palpitations, inreased blood pressure, stroke, seizures, psychosis etc..people who are easily depressed should be on a watch out because the eph will increase their depression. You can also get a wired feeling when you take it, but this goes away soon. Increased sweating/heat production means you need to drink more water. People with a history of heart problems should just keep away from eph. Moreover, ephedrine can be addictive if taken for more than 6 months. Increased sweating/heat production means you need to drink more water.


Herbal versions and what they equate to

guarana contains 22% caffeine
kola nut contains 20% caffeine
mahuang contains 6-8% ephedrine
white willow bark contains 12-15% salicin (salicin is the main ingredient in aspirin)
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thank you very very much cornish celt..it is very useful post for all who want to use eca stack....and i want to ask about my cycle also

the cycle i mentioned is it right or wrong?....thank you very much

Hello crew brother and all how are you....i did a small change in my cycle is it right or wrong? i like to use turinabol end of the cycle instead of winny crew bro you said dont use winny in this so planned the cycle like this...it looks like this brother please any suggestions..thank you



dbol 50mg daily for fitst six weeks

test e 750mg 16 weeks

deca 400mg 14 weeks

turinabol 50 mg 11-16 weeks

Hi and hello to all members of this forum.....the cycle i was mentioned is it wrong or right?