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Old 02-28-2014, 09:08 PM
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This is going to be my first cycle, not sure if I'm doing it right. I've been researching this for a while so hopefully I'm not too far off.

About me:
45, 12~15% body fat, 160 lbs.
Training for 7~8 years, predominantly power lifting, 4 day split
Diet in check
Average 8hs of sleep a night, sometimes a little more

Thinking of a 12 week cycle something like this:

Week 1-12 Test Prop 150mg EOD
Week 1-4 Dbol 30mg ED, 10mg 3x Day
Week 9-12 HCG 500iu 2x Week

PCT
(wait 3 days after last Test Prop pin to start)
Day 1-7 Clomid 100mg ED and Nolva 40mg ED
Day 8-28 Clomid 50mg ED and Nolva 20mg ED

Will also have Adex, Letro, Liquidex, or Aromasin on hand if needed.

Will be taking Himalaya Liv. 52 for liver support, and was also considering 600mg N-Acetyl Cysteine at bedtime as well.

Questions:
Which is the better choice between Adex, Letro, Liquidex, or Aromasin?
Is 4 weeks for PCT enough or should I extend it to 6 weeks?
If extending PCT is recommended do I just add on 2 more weeks of 50/20 ED?
Is the N-Acetyl Cysteine overkill and or useless?

Disclaimers:
I understand that Test Prop is fast acting, and as such, doesn't need a kickstart. However, the reason for the Dbol is not to kickstart, I'd like to run it just to add some size and strength. My goal is to get to 175~180 on cycle and then maintain at least 60% of that. This would put me at 172 with room to grow in the 181 weight class.

I also understand that for a first cycle a lot of people recommend a longer acting ester so you don't have to pin as much. Frequent pin's won't bother me though so I consider that a non-issue.

Any advise/critique/help welcome.
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you may well find that that frequent pins of test prop do bother you!
Prop has this knack of stinging like a bitch!
A lot of guys have actually been put off using gear because they started out on prop and couldn't handle the frequent painful injections
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PCT
(wait 3 days after last Test Prop pin to start)
Day 1-7 Clomid 100mg ED and Nolva 40mg ED
Day 8-28 Clomid 50mg ED and Nolva 20mg ED

Will also have Adex, Letro, Liquidex, or Aromasin on hand if needed.


Questions:
Which is the better choice between Adex, Letro, Liquidex, or Aromasin?
Is 4 weeks for PCT enough or should I extend it to 6 weeks?
If extending PCT is recommended do I just add on 2 more weeks of 50/20 ED?
Is the N-Acetyl Cysteine overkill and or useless?

Thanks
I'm attaching this link, as you have questions about PCT. The article is written by Bill Roberts. I make no personal claim about being an expert with regards to PCT, but this regime has worked well for me. Doing an internet search for PCT can be confusing, because there are all sorts of opinions on the subject. Best I can say is do your homework on the subject. In the article is a discussion about Nolvadex and Clomid, that you might find informative, as you are listing using both Clomid and Nolvadex together for PCT.

Bill Roberts on PCT - Post Cycle Therapy (PCT)

Regards............

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you may well find that that frequent pins of test prop do bother you!
Prop has this knack of stinging like a bitch!
A lot of guys have actually been put off using gear because they started out on prop and couldn't handle the frequent painful injections
Thanks for the heads up, appreciate you looking out.
I'm still pretty confident I can manage. I used to do medical testing when I was a poor college student....was pretty much needles etc all day for weeks~months at a time depending on the study.
If nothing else, I'll just focus on the end goal, thats what matters most to me.


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Bill Roberts on PCT - Post Cycle Therapy (PCT)

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Thanks for the link.
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i just had my first injection of kapla test prop and fuck did it hurt
hurt going in
hurtn after
next day i can bearly sit down
it would defo put me off if was my first cycle
last cycle was test e bolder deca that was 3 pins twice a week
prop really in pain i have 10wks and allready not looking forward to it
where test e is a lot smoother hardly any pip at all
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