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Old 12-18-2013, 02:19 PM
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having not run hcg before
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i am now soon coming to end of cycle and wondered what people use for dose
for pct i have the 5000iu vials
and was just going to add 1ml bacs water to this and hit lot in one go then week later same for few weeks
but heard other options like mixing 5ml water so 1ml will be 1000iu and do this eod or 2500iu twice week
so whats peoples thoughts on this would preffer ones week jab
read sticky but seems to be ore focus on run during cycle

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injection site i watched some vids on where to inject and most commen is few inches from belly button is this best place or is quads and glutes ok

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why run during a cycle whats people thoughts on this
i hear some say if run during all way through wont work as good when comes to pct
and some say will work as good
i just not sure i see benifits of running along cycle i thought the main thing it does is get you back working and producing own natty test
then this would seem pointless to do as gear shuts you down hcg starts you up why run both ???

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on looking for injection vids most was from women on what they call they hcg diet where they run this constant and have only 500cals a day
they say the hcg reduces there apitite
one thing this is crazy but sure theres loads women doing it
but my question is when i run as pct will it affect my appitie


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If you haven't run HCG on cycle.
Then 5000iu per week for 3 weeks towards the end of a cycle and/or the run up to PCT.

HCG can be injected in to the muscle or under the skin, personally I think under the skin is better and the stomach is fine for this, the same way that you would inject GH.

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) is a peptide hormone that mimics the action of luteinizing hormone (LH). LH is the hormone that stimulates the testes to produce testosterone.
When you take AAS LH levels decline. The absence of an LH signal from the pituitary causes the testes to stop producing testosterone, this causes you're testes to shrink
Based on studies with normal men using steroids, 100iu hCG administered everyday was enough to preserve full testicular function without causing desensitization/saturation associated with high doses of hCG.
A more convenient alternative to the above recommendation would be a thrice weekly shot of 250iu hCG, or possibly a twice weekly shot of 500iu. However, it is most desirable to adhere to a lower more frequent dose of hCG to mimic the body’s natural LH release and minimize estrogen conversion.

An in vivo injection or an episode of LH secretion induced by GnRH, results in stimulation of the side-chain cleavage enzyme with the subsequent release of testosterone within 30-60 minutes of LH stimulation. The acute response to an injection of LH is dramatic in some species such as the rat and the ram but is much more attenuated in the human. This testosterone response lasts approximately 24-48 hours. If human chorionic gonadotrophin is used as an LH substitute, the kinetics of the initial stimulation are similar to LH but a second peak of testosterone secretion is evidence with hCG and occurs 48-72 hours after the initial injection. This biphasic pattern has been attributed to the observation that between 24 and 48 hours after an LH or hCG injection, the Leydig cells are refractory to further stimulation by either hormone. The second phase of testosterone secretion after hCG but not LH is associated with the longer half-life of hCG in comparison to LH. The hCG levels persist in the circulation and, following recovery from the refractoriness, testosterone levels increase. This observation has significant clinical importance since, in many men, a single weekly injection of hCG will suffice to maintain optimum testosterone responses rather than the frequent practice of giving injections of hCG two to three times per week.

The stimulation of leydig cells with large amounts of hCG rapidly reduces their number of receptors, this phenemenom is termed down-regulation.
Although these changes decrease testosterone levels to just above diurnal maxima 24-48hrs after initial injection repeated stimulation does not yield the same results.
A single injection of hCG is followed by a long steroidogenic response characterized by two phases of testosterone secretion.
Studies show that this second phase which can last as long as 8 days can increase testosterone in plasma by 2.2 x above maximal diurnal secretion even though hCG is no longer present in plasma.
The results indicate that hCG injections can be given every 6-7 days due to the prolonged steroidogenic response.
It is advisable to start this protocol around week 2-3 in the cycle and continue till the start of PCT.

As for the HCG diet(whether it affects appetite or not) It is not recommended. Continued use of HCG will desensitize the leydig cells to LH, meaning once you stop using the HCG as an artificial LH, you will crash bad. The natural LH production once restored by using nolvadex or clomid, may not be as effective as it once was.
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